Show Notes
Back in 2015 the Chinese government declared that they would become the world leader in EVs by 2025. Major car companies scoffed. Who wants an EV? Today, China automakers have surpassed Japan, Germany and the US to become the number one exporter of cars. A record number of Chinese EVs were sold globally last year. How did China become the global leader in EVs? We’ll talk with the man who literally wrote the book on the rise of China’s car industry.
Guest: Michael Dunne, Auto executive in China and the US, author American Wheels, Chinese Roads.
Books: Power Play: Tesla, Elon Musk and the Bet of the Century by Tim Higgins. Michael Dunne's new book will publish in mid-2025.
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