SBP 228: Interview - AI Won't Decide the Future of Marketing. We Will. With Pats McDonald.
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What if the biggest mistake we're making with AI is the way we talk about it? Pats McDonald, Chief Strategy Officer at Dentsu Creative, joins the Sleeping Barber Podcast to challenge one of the dominant narratives surrounding artificial intelligence: that AI itself is determining what comes next. Her argument is simple: AI doesn't make these choices. People do. We explore what that means for marketers, strategists and leaders as AI becomes embedded in everyday marketing practice. Pats explains why AI's greatest opportunity isn't simply doing more with less, but enabling ideas that previously weren't possible. We discuss the danger of “strategy-ish”—plausible, polished strategic thinking that never gets somewhere genuinely distinctive—and why strategists should use AI to identify category conventions so they can deliberately break away from them. We also tackle one of the biggest organizational questions surrounding AI: if technology increasingly performs the work traditionally given to junior marketers, how do we develop the next generation of senior talent? Plus: Why strategists need to understand both consumers and algorithms Why curiosity may become more valuable than having all the answers How AI can expose category clichés and strategic blind spots Why data hygiene and fact-checking become even more important How AI could become institutional memory for brands Why marketers should design for difference rather than scale sameness What responsible AI leadership actually looks like
Ultimately, Pats leaves us with a powerful distinction: Stop saying “AI will.” Start asking what people, enabled by AI, will choose to do. Chapters: 00:00 - Introduction 01:03 - Stop Saying “AI Will” 02:58 - How AI Is Changing Strategy 05:40 - Doing What Wasn't Possible Before 06:50 - What Happens to Junior Talent? 08:35 - Specialists vs. Generalists 11:35 - Curiosity as a Strategic Skill 13:45 - Can AI Accelerate Curiosity? 15:10 - Why Leaders Must Keep Learning 16:50 - The Danger of “Strategy-ish” 18:10 - Designing for Difference, Not Sameness 19:45 - AI, Bias and Strategic Blind Spots 21:05 - Why AI Still Needs Fact-Checkers 22:45 - Can AI Prevent Strategic Drift? 24:15 - AI as Institutional Brand Memory 25:55 - Great Examples of AI in Creativity 27:35 - AI Becomes Part of the Creative Toolkit 28:50 - Human Agency and the Future of AI 30:05 - Stop Saying “AI Will”
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