Show Notes
Phil and Steve Keen discuss Steve’s recent experience at the World Forum in Berlin, which he frames as a progressive "antidote" to the World Economic Forum. Their conversation touches on a wide range of global issues, including the conflicted leadership in the Palestinian Authority and Israel, the necessity of a two-state solution in Gaza, and the controversial role of figures like Hillary Clinton and Bob Geldof. A significant portion of the dialogue focuses on Steve’s proposal to expand the legal definition of ecocide to include criminal negligence, arguing that economists and corporations should face personal liability for their role in climate change. Phil remains sceptical of the practical enforceability of such laws given the entrenched interests of powerful nations, but both agree that current international agreements like COP are largely ineffective, serving more as a venue for fossil fuel lobbying than real environmental progress. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
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Phil and Steve unpack the case for a renewed relationship with Europe, from trade and supply chains to freedom of movement and political sovereignty. They debate whether the euro still makes sense in an era of low-cost digital payments, why a shared currency can leave national economies exposed, and what European cooperation should actually look like.
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Equilibrium is a fantasy—and this conversation explains why. Phil and teve explore how the belief that markets naturally self-correct has shaped economic policy, contributed to the failure to anticipate the Global Financial Crisis, and continues to distort debates about bond yields, government intervention, debt, and inflation. From Irving Fisher’s original models to today’s financial markets, AI bubbles, and rising government bond yields, Keen shows why capitalism is better understood as an “always moving equilibrium” than as a system that ever truly settles. The discussion also looks ahead to his forthcoming book, How Economists Will Destroy Capitalism, and the urgent consequences of treating elegant economic theories as if they describe the real world. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Paul Keating is often sold as the man who modernized Australia - but what if the reforms that made him legendary also helped create the financialized, boom-and-bust economy we live with today? Steve argues the real story is far more unsettling. From the "recession we had to have" to the housing bubble, tariff cuts, bank deregulation, and the superannuation system, he breaks down how Keating's policies reshaped Australia in ways most people still misunderstand. If you think Keating was simply a brilliant reformer, this conversation will challenge that view. Keating was an extraordinary parliamentary orator but a dangerous believer in textbook economics. Discover how the 1987 crash and first home buyers grant helped set up the 1992 recession, and why the push toward finance over manufacturing left Australia weaker, not stronger. He also explains how Keating’s attacks on the GST, the rise of neoliberal thinking inside Labor, and the long fallout from deindustrialization still shape Australian politics today. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.