
Show Notes
What does it take to keep leading when depression tells you that you can’t go on? In this classic episode, I talk with Paul Greenberg, CEO of Butter Works about building a successful career while living with severe, chronic depression and suicidal thoughts. Paul shares how he kept showing up for work, why connecting with other people gave him a sense of purpose, and what happened when decades of traditional treatments failed to bring relief. We also talk about ECT, ketamine treatment, mental health stigma, and how leaders can create workplaces where people feel safer asking for help. Get ready to rethink what strength and success can look like when mental illness is part of the picture.
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In this Episode, You Will Learn
00:00 How can someone build a successful career while living with severe depression?
03:45 What does a “slog day” with severe depression actually feel like?
06:00 Can depression make you more sensitive to what other people are feeling?
08:15 How depression created a constant and destructive inner narrative.
10:45 Why achievement and responsibility can’t make depression go away.
12:45 What happens when therapy and medication aren’t enough?
15:00 What did it feel like to experience happiness for the first time after treatment?
17:30 How ketamine treatment offered relief when severe depression returned.
21:00 Why mental illness needs to be treated like any other medical condition.
23:45 How being open about treatment shaped the culture at Paul’s company.
25:15 What should you do if your workplace doesn’t support your mental health?
28:15 How leaders can help make conversations about mental health feel more normal.
Resources + Links
Find more about Paul Greenberg on his website https://paulgreenberg.com
If you or someone you know is struggling with suicidal thoughts, you can find support through the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline suicidepreventionlifeline.org
If you're concerned about a young person in your life, find support and resources through the JED Foundation jedfoundation.org
You can also reach out for support through the Crisis Text Line crisistextline.org
Get a copy of my book - The Anxious Achiever
Watch the podcast on YouTube
Find more resources on our website morraam.com
Follow
Follow me: on LinkedIn @morraaronsmele + Instagram @morraam
Follow Paul on LinkedIn: @paulgreenberg
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