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#423 Jordi Visser: Why the AI Bears Are Wrong — and the One Asset He’d Bet On Right Now

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Show Notes

Long-time macro investor Jordi Visser, founder of Visser Labs, makes his in-studio debut with a bold message: the only macro force that matters right now is artificial intelligence. He explains why the economy has become far less rate-sensitive since the iPhone launched in 2007, and why Anthropic and OpenAI’s leap from $30 billion to roughly $170 billion in combined annual recurring revenue marks the start of agentic commerce, with personal AI agents managing more of our lives. He lays out his “bank-pocalypse” thesis, where agents and crypto compress bank valuations by moving money to better yields instantly. He also argues that many veteran macro voices are wrong about AI because they don’t use it. Visser traces his own shift from perma-bear to tech optimist, from closing out his book before Lehman in 2008 to a life-changing trip to Silicon Valley’s Singularity University. He makes the bull case for agentic compute, names hacking and government pushback as the biggest risks, and closes with his most contrarian call: crypto, which he sees as a 100-to-1 long shot that could be the best-performing asset of the next year even if the S&P goes nowhere.

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Timestamps: 0:00 Preview: the beginning of agentic commerce 0:42 Welcome Jordi Visser 1:15 The only macro that matters: AI 4:14 Why the old playbook broke after 2007 6:44 AI’s iPhone moment: personal agents arrive 10:07 How big is agentic commerce? 10:36 Two economies: AI-native vs. enterprise 12:28 The “bank-pocalypse” thesis 14:01 An agentic run on the banks 17:38 What a personal AI agent does for you 18:56 The generational divide on AI 24:50 2008: closing out before Lehman 26:38 From perma-bear to “no more recessions” 28:26 Silicon Valley and the singularity 31:04 What he tells his kids about AI 32:31 Why Bitcoin is the purest AI trade 35:43 All moats are disappearing 37:37 Why AI is so emotional for people 41:08 Earnings up 30%, jobs at zero 43:08 “AI victim status” and the doom narrative 45:38 Climbing the ladder at Morgan Stanley 48:08 Lifelong learning and longevity 50:00 The bull case: agentic compute 52:30 Is the AI debt a problem? 55:00 The biggest risks: hacking and government pushback 58:44 His contrarian call for next year: crypto 1:02:27 Why the S&P could be flat a year from now 1:03:27 The Peter Lynch lesson and a 100-to-1 long shot

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