Assembly Required with Stacey Abrams

How Trumpism Might Survive the Fall of Trump (w/ Eugene Daniels and Symone Sanders-Townsend)

Assembly Required with Stacey Abrams

Show Notes

Trump's second term has been defined by mounting corruption, but who, if anyone, is holding him accountable? MSNOW’s Symone Sanders Townsend and Eugene Daniels join the show to discuss whether Republicans will ever push back against Trump's abuses of power, Todd Blanche's nomination, and the growing politicization of the Department of Justice. They also explain why the upcoming midterm elections could be the country's best chance to check authoritarianism, what it will take to build a durable pro-democracy majority, and why Americans should demand more from their government. Learn & Do More:

BE CURIOUS: Subscribe to Eugene Daniels and Symone Sanders Townsend's podcast, Clock It wherever you get your podcasts. You can also catch Symone and Eugene in Texas this fall at "MS NOW Live: Together in Texas,” the network’s annual live event on September 26th. Tickets are on sale now at www.ms.now/together-in-texas-we-the-people-2026

SOLVE PROBLEMS: The midterm elections are just a few months away, and control of Congress will be on the ballot. Just as important are the state and local races that shape our daily lives. Learn about the candidates running in your community, find one you believe in, and sign up to volunteer. You can also connect with your local state party or civic organizations to learn more about ways to get involved.

DO GOOD: Mississippi Votes is a youth-led organization that empowers young people through voter education, grassroots organizing, and community outreach. Visit msvotes.org to learn more, volunteer, or make a donation.

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