Show Notes
This month on The Resilient Kid Podcast, we’re exploring a powerful theme: one person who made a difference in your life. In this episode, Ashley is joined by friend of the show, Sarah Vogel, for a thoughtful and heartfelt conversation about the person who changed the direction of Sarah’s life — a colleague and dear friend, Dr Elaine Swan. What started as one simple comment in a London department store in the late 1980s became the first domino in a chain of events that shaped Sarah’s future. From seeing herself differently, to going to university as a mature student, to building a life and career that has impacted so many others, Sarah reflects on the incredible ripple effect of being truly seen by someone. In this episode, we cover: The person who made a lasting difference in Sarah’s life How one comment planted the seed for university and a completely different future Why being seen by another person can change how we see ourselves The ripple effect of confidence and encouragement How Sarah now helps others see strengths they may not yet recognise in themselves Why young people need real-life opportunities to build confidence The importance of conversations, risk-taking, and resilience in growing up How small moments of belief can create lifelong impact About Sarah Vogel Sarah Vogel is a coach, facilitator, mediator, and leadership expert who helps people and organisations have better, braver, and more effective conversations. Through her work with PDA, she supports leaders to build confidence, influence, accountability, and stronger relationships at work. Sarah is also passionate about helping young people develop confidence, communication skills, and resilience early in life — so they can step into the world feeling more grounded, capable, and connected. A note for parents and professionals This episode is a reminder that you may never fully know the impact you are having on a child or young person. A conversation. A vote of confidence. A moment of encouragement. A belief they borrow before they can find their own. It all matters. And often, the things that feel small to us are the very things they remember for years to come. Connect and share If this episode resonated with you, share it with someone who has made a difference in your life — or with someone who may need the reminder that their presence matters more than they know. And as you listen, maybe ask yourself: Who was that one person for you? And perhaps even more importantly… Who might you be that person for now? Teen Event Mention Teen tickets are now on sale for Womanifest, where Ashley and Sarah will be hosting dedicated teen sessions focused on confidence, body positivity, resilience, relationships, and emotional wellbeing. - https://www.skiddle.com/whats-on/Crewe/Delamere-Events-Ltd/Womanifest-2026/41123458/ It will be a space for teens to feel supported, inspired, and equipped with tools they can take into everyday life. We are building a community of people who want to be that person for more children, in more places. So if something in this episode has resonated with you, and you have ever felt that pull to make a difference not only in your own family but in your wider community too, that is exactly why we created our franchise - https://www.theresilientacademy.co.uk/franchise Links Website: www.contactpda.com Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/ContactPDA Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/contactpda Sign up to our newsletter: https://dashboard.mailerlite.com/forms/240667/93026367927485942/share Get “A Parent’s Guide To Raising A Resilient Kid”: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1739302605 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/resilientkiduk Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theresilientkid LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/resilientkid YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theresilientkid957 Spotify: https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/ashley-costello Website: https://www.theresilientacademy.co.uk
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"The slow way back is generally the fast way home." — Ashley Costello WHAT THIS EPISODE IS ABOUT In this series finale, psychotherapist Ashley Costello brings everything together into a practical, evidence-based framework for building a successful school return. Moving away from quick fixes, Ashley details the UK "graduated approach" (Assess, Plan, Do, Review), the science of gradual exposure, legal/SEND rights (Section 19 & EHCPs), and side-by-side examples of primary pupil Zara and teenager Noah. ⏱️ EPISODE TIMESTAMPS • 00:00 — Final Episode Setup • 02:09 — Graduated Return Framework • 02:32 — Assess, Plan, Do, Review • 07:19 — Why Gradual Works • 09:09 — Legal & SEND Support Options • 10:35 — Week by Week Return Plan • 14:52 — Zara vs Noah Examples • 17:36 — Bigger Picture Encouragement • 19:44 — Series Wrap & Next Steps 📋 TOP TIPS FOR PARENTS & TEACHERS 1. Follow Assess, Plan, Do, Review: Don't skip assessment or rush to solutions. Uncover the underlying function first. 2. Start Smaller Than Feels Comfortable: Begin exposure with steps that feel almost too small (e.g., 10-min quiet visit). 3. Know Legal Rights: Section 19 requires local authorities to provide suitable education after 15 days of health absence. 4. Maintain Consistent Support: Don't withdraw support the moment attendance starts improving. 5. Short Home-School Check-Ins: Keep brief, regular check-ins between parents and staff to track trajectory. 📚 RESOURCES & REFERENCES • SEND Code of Practice: Graduated approach framework • UK EBSA Review (2025): Analysis of 48 LA EBSA guidance docs • Lincolnshire/Lancashire/Bucks: EBSA return pathways • C.A. Kearney & W.K. Silverman: Functional model of school refusal • Education Act 1996 (Sec 19): Alternative education duty • SEND and You: EBSA FAQs & EHCP guidance • Anna Freud Centre: annafreud.org | YoungMinds: youngminds.org.uk 🎧 LISTENERS’ LOUNGE & RESOURCES • Lounge: theresilienthub.co.uk/lms/courses/listeners-lounge • Website: theresilientacademy.co.uk • Newsletter: Join our newsletter • Get the Book: Raising a Resilient Kid on Amazon • Teachers' Waitlist: Email [email protected] • Socials: Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn Produced by Chantelle Venter at maddatu.com on behalf of The Resilient Kid.
The Resilient Kid Podcast Season 12: The Anxiety Behind the Absence — Episode 3 of 4: The Ones Who Stop Showing Up "The loudest sign of school avoidance is often silence... With a teen, the bedroom door stays shut." — Ashley Costello WHAT THIS EPISODE IS ABOUT Focusing on secondary students and teenagers, this episode explores how anxiety and school avoidance manifest in older pupils. Using 14-year-old Noah's story, Ashley Costello reveals how teen EBSA presents through silence, social masking, and isolation. Learn about social evaluation anxiety, post-pandemic statistics (27% affected), and 5 practical strategies to rebuild connection while respecting autonomy. ⏱️ EPISODE TIMESTAMPS • 00:00 — Intro & Disclaimer • 00:32 — Silent Signs of Avoidance & Masking • 01:59 — Noah's Story: The PE Incident • 04:51 — Why Teens Avoid School & Post-Pandemic Data • 07:00 — Social Evaluation Anxiety & Peer Brain Wiring • 11:17 — 5 Practical Strategies for Parents & Teachers • 14:37 — Noah’s Support Plan & Autonomy • 18:36 — Progress & School Coordination • 20:19 — Reaching the Quiet Ones • 22:13 — Wrap Up & Next Episode Teaser 📋 TOP TIPS FOR PARENTS & TEACHERS 1. Ask Concrete Specifics: Skip broad "How are you?" questions. Ask about specific lessons or review the timetable together. 2. Follow Up on Small Comments: Throwaway mentions like "I hate PE" are often tips of bigger issues. Revisit gently later. 3. Respect Autonomy & Boundaries: Explore what screens provide (safety/escape) and carefully rebuild real-life connections. 4. Get Specific with School: Identify exact triggers (cold-calling, PE) so pastoral staff can implement tailored adaptations. 5. Communicate Side-by-Side: Talk while walking, driving, or via text to make sharing less confrontational for teens. 📚 RESOURCES & REFERENCES • Stem4: Youth mental health data on teen EBSA (27%) • BPS (2024): Rethinking school avoidance & secondary transition • C.A. Kearney: Functional model of school avoidance • Halidu & Kotera (2024): Adolescent social anxiety study • Norway Longitudinal Study: Social anxiety & school completion • BERJ (2025): McDonald et al., EBSA review • Anna Freud Centre: annafreud.org | YoungMinds: youngminds.org.uk 🎧 LISTENERS’ LOUNGE & RESOURCES • Lounge: theresilienthub.co.uk/lms/courses/listeners-lounge • Website: theresilientacademy.co.uk • Newsletter: Join our newsletter • Get the Book: Raising a Resilient Kid on Amazon • Teachers' Waitlist: Email [email protected] • Socials: Facebook | Instagram | LinkedIn Produced by Chantelle Venter at maddatu.com on behalf of The Resilient Kid.