Show Notes
Make plans to attend SkepticampNM.com if you are near Albuquerque! First, Ben and Celestia talk about the "death list" of scientists, Herzog's cryptid-ish new film "Ghost Elephant," Bloodsuckers down under, getting rid of the military mandate for flu shots, Info Wars getting Onionified, and a potential new CDC leader that doesn't suck. Then we have a roundtable with guests Matt Crowley and Sharon Hill, to discuss the surprising turn of events in Bigfootery! We offer a primer on the Patterson-Gimlin film, which -- despite the skeptical points against many aspects of it -- has remained the diamond in Bigfoot's evidence tiara for over 50 years. Though only screened at one festival so far, Marq Evans' new film "Capturing Bigfoot" has assembled a perfect storm, with newly uncovered footage that appears to be a rehearsal for the Patterson-Gimlin film, confessions from Clint Patterson and his mother, and what many are saying was a change of mind by anthropologist Jeff Meldrum just prior to his death. The ensuing controversy has divided the world of Bigfoot enthusiasts, some of whom appear truly shaken while others remain mired in sunk costs of their longtime belief. Once this movie has made its way through the general public, will it cause a fundamental shift in how the world sees Bigfoot?
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First, Ben and Celestia chat about current events involving clowns, Noah's ark, psychics, measles, moon hoaxes, and more. Then we welcome Sharon Hill and Darren Naish, both of whom published books on cryptozoology and monster hunting around a decade ago. We talk about the evolution of that field, including the depletion of actual experts and rise of influencers in their place. Monsters and cryptids have come to represent a sense of community and local pride, artistic and pop culture expression, and a fantasy escapism from news and everyday life. In many ways, we are living through a similar period America went through in the 1970s. We hit on the "paranormal unified field theory" and the "scientification" of folklore. How is the rise in dogmen sightings connected to Bigfoot, and how have debunkings and evidence affected the community?
After some current events discussion about AI images in real estate and RFK Jr. mentioning chemtrails, we welcome friend of the podcast Amy Frushour Kelly. She's a longtime editor turned AI writing consultant, and has watched what the new models have done to the average editor's workload. We ask some questions on what AI writing means in terms of authenticity, honesty, and contractual obligations. How accurate are the tools that supposedly determine whether something has been written with AI, and what makes humans "get a feeling" something has been crafted by an LLM? Fair warning: we three editors end up getting really geeky about our craft in a few places. And we also get philosophical: what does AI writing mean to the future of cultural transaction and complex thought itself?
First, we recount a tiny bit of the beautiful chaos that was Dragon Con. Then, after a few current event tidbits related to 9-11, we are joined by Andy Taylor of Geekshock and (retired Klingon) Paul Mattingly of Matt & Mattingly's Ice Cream Social. With our geeky nerd power tripled, we discuss all flavors of sci-fi and how various franchises have approached critical thinking, gullibility and other skeptic-adjacent topics. Does Kubrick's dense cinematic style attract lovers of conspiracy thinking and, thus, invite moon hoax theories? Did the communicator really inspire the flip-phone? How much of the Nostradamus-like predictions in sci-fi are simply due to the writers being keyed into pop culture, the latest scientific advances and common sense?
First, housekeeping about our upcoming visit to DragonCon in Atlanta next week (come say hello if you plan on going!). Ben and Celestia lament the latest measles news, pay respects to Dolly Parton and Tim Curry, and discuss the ever-present "rule of threes" when it comes to celebrity deaths. Then for our main topic Ben talks about Jose Escamilla and his decades-long obsession with what he termed "Roswell rods" or "skyfish." They were an ill-defined phenomenon, somewhere between UFOs, interdimensional cryptids, and light-speed bacteria. Still, Escamilla took them seriously enough to make several films and set up scientific-ish protocols to guide his research -- which, weirdly, led him to Tiger Woods. A unique thing about Roswell Rods is that even the fringe believers couldn't quite swallow this particular mystery, leading to a public debunking by Joe Rogan himself. So, what can we learn from Escamilla and the strange, short life of Roswell rods?
First, we chat about what's making us skeptical these days, from the latest executive order targeting vaccine access to a really creative way to fund a biology lab. Oh, and we didn't experience zero gravity for seven seconds this week, did you? Then we bring on the legendary private investigator Bob Nygaard, who parlayed his career as a New York City cop into a busy life as the world's most effective psychic buster. And we don't mean he spills their secrets -- we mean he gets them put behind bars. Bob has been instrumental in getting many millions of dollars returned to victims and persuading district attorneys to press charges against the generational syndicates who orchestrate this type of crime. He explains to us their methodology and the skills he acquired that help him tie all the parts of a case together, often working against reluctant bureaucrats at every step. Laws against fortune telling and financial crimes vary in different jurisdictions, and victims are often reluctant to fight for themselves. Blending empathy with hard-nosed investigation work and dogged persistence, Bob shares success stories and some tips for spotting psychic criminals before they can get their hooks into a mark.