
Show Notes
This week, Blyss and Stu welcome birth pioneer, author, filmmaker, and educator Suzanne Arms, one of the most influential voices in the natural birth movement of the last half-century. Long before conversations about physiological birth, informed consent, and the over-medicalization of maternity care became mainstream, Suzanne was asking difficult questions. Her groundbreaking 1975 book *Immaculate Deception* challenged routine obstetrical practices and helped spark a movement that continues to influence birth professionals and families around the world. In this fascinating and deeply personal conversation, Suzanne shares how her own traumatic birth experience and the birth of her daughter led her to investigate maternity care practices, interview women across the country, and ultimately write one of the most important birth books ever published. This episode is part birth history lesson, part cultural critique, and part love letter to the women who have spent decades protecting physiological birth.
About Suzanne Arms: Today on Birthing Instincts we're honored to welcome Suzanne Arms, one of the most influential voices in the natural birth movement of the last half century. Suzanne is an author, filmmaker, educator, and advocate whose work has helped generations of parents and birth professionals rethink pregnancy, birth, breastfeeding, and early bonding. She is perhaps best known for her groundbreaking book Immaculate Deception. Came out in 1975, which challenged many of the routine practices of modern maternity care, and became a catalyst for change in how birth is understood and supported. Over the decades, Suzanne has co-founded an early free-standing birth center, produced award-winning films about childbirth, and dedicated her life to exploring what she calls the primal period, the critical time from conception through a baby's first year. Through her organization, Birthing the Future, she continues to champion the idea that how we care for mothers and babies shapes not only individual lives, but the future of our communities and culture. Suzanne's work has inspired countless midwives, doulas, physicians, educators, and families around the world. Book: Immaculate deception: A new look at women and childbirth in America Website: birthingthefuture.org
References: Jennifer Margulis, Substack - The Valorous Vagina: Babies benefit from being born vaginally (moms do too) The Association for Prenatal & Perinatal Psychology & Health (APPPAH) https://birthpsychology.com/ Pathways to Health pathwaystofamilywellness.org ACOG Instagram: @acog_org
Discussed in This Episode The origins of Suzanne Arms' groundbreaking book “Immaculate Deception” The decline of midwifery and what was lost along the way How birth practices influence bonding, breastfeeding, and early development The role of fathers and partners in birth, then and now Why home birth rates have declined despite growing awareness The importance of understanding your own birth story How fear shapes maternity care decisions The connection between early life experiences, attachment, and culture What Suzanne believes every pregnant woman should know today The continuing fight to preserve physiological birth
Podcast Produced by: Raquel Hernandez, Pride and Joy Doula Care
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