
Show Notes
Send us Fan Mail In this episode of Horse First, Lockie Phillips is joined by horsewoman and author Leslie Desmond for a wide-ranging conversation about the evolution of horsemanship. Together they reflect on the major eras that have shaped how humans train and understand horses, exploring what those traditions got right, where their insights remain valuable, and where new knowledge invites revision. The discussion moves from the vaquero and ranch traditions through modern horsemanship moveme...
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