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What Happens When Trump Is Gone

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There is a question that almost nobody is asking about MAGA, and it is the only one that matters in the long run. Not whether Trump will lose power. But what happens to the millions of people who made him part of who they are when he is no longer there to hold it all together. This is not a new question. It has been answered before. Twice. The Pattern In July 1943, Benito Mussolini was removed from power after twenty-one years of fascist rule in Italy. Within hours, the portraits came down. The party badges disappeared. Millions of Italians who had supported the regime, worn the black shirts, and repeated the slogan “Mussolini is always right” suddenly became something else. Overnight, everyone was a partisan. Everyone had always been against Mussolini. Everyone had secretly resisted. Historian Paul Corner at the University of Siena called this the Mussolini myth: a collective rewriting of the past driven by the need to construct a comforting version of history rather than confronting what actually happened. Italy never went through anything resembling Germany’s denazification. A neo-fascist party was part of Italy’s first postwar government in 1946. And the popular myths about fascism persisted for decades. Mussolini made the trains run on time. He was a strong leader. He modernized the country. The fascist mentality survived long after the fascist government fell, because nobody was ever forced to confront what they had actually supported.

Two years later, on May 8, 1945, Nazi Germany surrendered. Millions of Germans who had supported the regime, voted for it, cheered at the rallies, reported their neighbors, and benefited from the system were suddenly faced with the same psychological crisis. The historian Tony Judt wrote that Germans “spontaneously denazified themselves” on that day. They simply stopped being Nazis, without any internal reckoning. And when the Allies forced them to confront what had happened, the universal response was the same three words: we didn’t know. The Allies tried denazification. They forced thousands of German civilians to tour the concentration camps in their own neighborhoods. They banned former Nazis from positions of power. They imprisoned 250,000 people. They distributed questionnaires called Fragebogen that required every adult to account for their relationship to the regime. And within a few years, it was largely abandoned. By 1951, only 25% of Germans believed denazification had been necessary. In Bavaria, 85% of teachers who had been removed from their posts for Nazi affiliations were back at work. The first chancellor of the new West Germany, Konrad Adenauer, opened his first address to parliament by saying the government was determined, where acceptable, to “put the past behind us.” These are not ancient history. These are the two closest parallels to what is happening in America right now. And the psychological research tells us exactly why the same patterns are about to repeat.

Why Losing Trump Feels Like Losing Yourself William Swann’s identity fusion research at the University of Texas at Austin explains the first stage. When the boundary between personal identity and group identity dissolves, losing the group does not just change your political affiliation. It threatens your understanding of who you are. In a 2025 paper published in PS: Political Science and Politics, Swann and Philip Moniz studied identity fusion specifically in Trump supporters. Using a three-wave panel study spanning from before the 2020 election through 2024, they found that the more fused a supporter was with Trump, the more deeply they internalized his misinformation as their own personal truth. They did not simply agree with Trump’s claims. They absorbed them into their own sense of reality. In April 2026, Time Magazine profiled a retired police officer who had voted for Trump every time he ran. His son and daughter-in-law cut him off entirely. He lost access to his only grandchild. And when Trump is gone

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