Show Notes
Therapeutic Humor – Part II
Glenn and Sebastian welcomed Mallori DeSalle, MA, LMHC, NCC, CMHC, MATS, CPS, CHP and Lodge McCammon, PhD on the podcast to discuss therapeutic humor (Listen to episode 21 with Mallori for part I on this topic). Mallori is a licensed mental health counselor, an internationally certified prevention specialist, motivational interviewing trainer and a certified humor professional. As a speaker and trainer, she has sparked curiosity in both the young and young-at-heart. Her passion for creating a lasting impact led her to the public health field and for the past 15 years she has worked at Prevention Insights, a center within the School of Public Health at Indiana University, Bloomington. Mallori works with people all over the world. She served on the Board of Directors for the Association for Applied and Therapeutic Humor and in 2021 became a TEDx speaker. Her credentials don’t impress her family, but occasionally her corny jokes do make them laugh.
Dr. Lodge McCammon is a therapeutic humorist, instructional designer, author, musician, and international education consultant who provides professional services, including keynote speeches, workshops, curriculum development, and a variety of training programs. He works with school districts, universities, nonprofits, and businesses (e.g., Palm Beach Schools, University of the West Indies, Discovery Education, Microsoft, Amazon, The Coca-Cola Company). Most recently, Lodge facilitated a month of therapeutic humor for the Nourished Teachers Community, which is a Facebook-funded initiative focused on helping educators cope with work stress and avoid burnout. He uses a program that he designed called “Laugh It Off!” to help his clients transform their daily frustrations into humor.
Episode index:
Therapeutic humour and Motivational Interviewing
Mallori DeSalle and Lodge McCammon return to explore therapeutic humour and its thoughtful use in helping relationships. They consider how humour can support connection, perspective and wellbeing, while recognising that timing, relationship and the other person’s experience matter.
The conversation examines humour as a relational tool rather than a technique to impose on someone. Used with sensitivity, it can sit alongside curiosity, compassion and genuine listening. These themes connect with Partnership, Compassion and the Spirit of Motivational Interviewing.
In this episode
00:00 – Introduction and episode preview
03:39 – Lodge’s introduction and how he and Mallori came to work together
09:00 – Evoking with humor
13:00 – What is humor?
17:00 – An invitation to see a situation in a new way
26:00 – Absurdity training
28:10 – Renaming exercise
34:45 – Finding the absurd from an expected response
40:52 – “I am now ___ years old”
48:25 – The portability of therapeutic humor
54:40 – How to introduce a humorous intervention with permission
1:01:10 – Future trainings and applying therapeutic humor with couples
1:05:20 – Seb’s story applying therapeutic humor in group therapy with adolescents
1:11.21 – End of episode
Links and contact information:
Mallori
Website: www.malloridesalle.com
Email: [email protected]
Lodge
Website: www.lodgemccammon.com
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