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Black Sea and black ops: How exposed is Europe to Ukraine war spillover?

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Show Notes

The story is as underreported as it is consequential for the entire planet. Three Turkish-owned cargo ships out of Ukraine have been hit in EU waters by suspected Russian drones. One, the Togo-flagged Alfa Watan, sunk on Tuesday off Bulgaria. Ten Egyptian and Syrian crew members are missing. For its part, Ukraine has been hitting Russian tankers in the Black Sea, with no sign of a return to a UN-brokered deal to allow oil, grain and fertiliser ships to pass. With the United States in drawdown mode – and reports that its president's entourage is coveting commercial deals with Moscow – what's Europe to do? That same Europe is still grappling over whether the closing of a few Russian consulates is strong enough of a response to the August drone attack on a Ukrainian cargo plane in Leipzig, Germany. So how far will Russia push Europe? How equipped are Europeans both for hybrid warfare and war on the cheap, with the Ukraine war illustrating how easy it is to mass produce the drones that can pummel cities and sap morale? Is the threat real or exaggerated, particularly in the minds of the tens of millions who will be called on in the coming months to cast ballots in Spanish, French and Italian elections? Produced by François Picard, Rebecca Gnignati, Juliette Laffont, Ilayda Habip, Charles Wente.

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