The Question of Education

Jane Caro: Rich Kid, Poor Kid and the Battle for Public Education

The Question of Education

Show Notes

What happens when a country turns education into a marketplace? Jane Caro thinks Australia has done exactly that, creating a school system that entrenches inequality while convincing parents that paying more must mean getting more. In the second episode of The Question of Education, Ben Lawless and Tom Mahoney talk to Jane Caro, author of Rich Kid, Poor Kid: The Battle for Public Education, about public and private schooling, parental choice, funding and why Australia has developed one of the most socially segregated education systems in the OECD. Jane makes the case that education is not simply another consumer product, and that a system built around parental choice inevitably advantages families who have the money to exercise more choices. Along the way: why parents keep paying enormous private school fees despite the evidence on academic outcomes, how schools sort students by class, whether governments have deliberately shifted the cost of education onto families, and why Jane thinks public school teachers are performing extraordinary work within a profoundly uneven system. We also get into social cohesion, meritocracy, gentle parenting and what parents choosing a school should actually consider. In this episode

Why Australia’s schools are increasingly segregated by social class Why paying more for education does not necessarily mean getting better academic results Parental choice, consumerism and the private-school arms race Public funding, private fees and an uneven playing field Whether Australia’s education system is building a class system Why inequality matters for meritocracy and social cohesion What properly funding disadvantaged public schools could look like What Jane would say to parents choosing between public and private schools Gentle parenting versus permissive and authoritarian parenting

“Our greatest resources are not the shit we dig out of the ground. They’re our kids, all our kids, not just your precious kids.” - Jane Caro Links The Question of Education Instagram TikTok

https://australiainstitute.org.au/store/rich-kid-poor-kid-vantage-point-issue-5 Ben Lawless - Lawless Learning Tom Mahoney - The Interruption

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