Show Notes
Eucalyptus co-founder Tim Doyle joins the Capital Brief newsroom for On The Call’s first ever guest episode. Doyle has been one of the most prominent voices in the startup sector’s response to Labor’s capital gains tax reforms, arguing the sector’s backlash against the reforms is rooted in self interest. This discussion revisits the debate and where the discourse on the tax reforms has landed. It also delves into the USD1.15 billion sale of Eucalyptus to Hims and Hers, as well as Doyle’s takes on the future of healthcare.
We discuss: Tim Doyle's past gig buying political ads for Labor and his view on the social media proficiency of Pauline Hanson’s fast rising One Nation party Parallels between the fracturing of political parties and the disruption of mega-brands like Nike Zohran Mamdani's campaign playbook and what global politicians are copying from it Why Doyle thinks the tech industry's backlash to Labor's CGT changes was 'absurd" The case for carving out CGT relief for startup employees, not just founders Australia's shortage of experienced startup CFOs and operators to scale companies past Series A How young Australians' risk appetite is misunderstood Life reporting to a CEO again, and what he's learned from Hims and Hers' bolder capital allocation The rise of consumer-led healthcare, AI diagnosis, and the regulatory challenges of an empowered patient What's next as Eucalyptus's brands fold into the Hims and Hers name
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