
S03E17 - From Intervention to Inclusion: Sarah Asome on Making Every Tier Count
Knowledge for TeachersShow Notes
In this episode, Brendan Lee speaks with Sarah Asome, principal of Bentleigh West Primary School and award-winning educator known for her leadership in evidence-based practice. Together, they unpack what Multi-Tiered Systems of Support (MTSS) really looks like in action beyond buzzwords and flowcharts. Sarah shares how her school aligns Tier 1 teaching, intervention and extension to ensure every student thrives, not just those who struggle. Listeners will hear how Bentleigh West’s team uses data to drive decisions, keeps variance low across classrooms, and extends students at the top through what Sarah calls a “diamond model” of support. This episode offers a practical, whole-school view of MTSS, one grounded in strong leadership, clear systems, and a belief that consistency creates equity.
Resources mentioned:
DIBELS (Dynamic Indicators of Basic Early Literacy Skills)
Spelling Mastery
The Writing Revolution (Judith Hochman & Natalie Wexler)
Letters Course (Language Essentials for Teachers of Reading and Spelling – LETRS)
Story Champs
Reading Doctor Program (Flinders University)
Times Tables Rock Stars
New Wave Mental Maths
Core Knowledge Curriculum
Response to Intervention (RTI) Diamond model
Anita Archer – Explicit Instruction
Endowment Foundation research (Education Endowment Foundation, on education support and learned helplessness)
Victorian Lesson Plans
You can connect with Sarah:
Twitter/X: @SarahAsome
Linkedin: @sarah-asome
You can connect with Brendan:
Twitter: @learnwithmrlee
Facebook: @learningwithmrlee
Website: learnwithlee.net
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About Sarah Asome
Sarah Asome is a highly experienced educator and the current Principal at Bentleigh West Primary School. She has also worked in the UK and Singapore. Sarah has been instrumental leading the change at BWPS but also been able to support many colleagues State, Nationwide and in New Zealand to implement evidence-based literacy instruction in their schools. This has led to a significant increase in literacy and numeracy levels which now places BWPS as a high performing school. Recently, Sarah was part of the team working on ten Victorian Lesson Plans for Primary English including text units, spelling and grammar and punctuation.
In 2015, Sarah was awarded ‘Outstanding Primary Teacher’ in the Victorian Education Excellence Awards. She has appeared in “Outside the Square ‘a DVD resource for teachers and in 2017 was featured on SBS Insight – ‘A Teacher Who Changed My Life’. Sarah has completed numerous courses including Louisa Moat’s LETRS training, Dyslexia Action (UK) and is a Certified Dyslexia, Reading and Orton-Gillingham specialist and trainer for Australia (OGI international inc). Recently, Sarah completed her Masters in Instructional Leadership at Melbourne University.
In 2023, Bentleigh West Primary School won the Victorian Education Excellence Award (VEEA) for ‘Outstanding Inclusion Education’. Evidence in Action: The Primary Maths Partnership
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