Show Notes
Mark and Tallulah are joined by Guy Vickers — barrister by day, musician and lyricist by night — the man behind the lyrics on Mark Kelly's Marathon and the legal brain behind Marillion's battle with EMI.
00:25 — Introducing Guy: weekend warrior, full-time barrister
03:13 — How Pete's dinner introduction kicked off the EMI streaming dispute
06:03 — The dissolved companies crisis: six months to save the pre-'96 royalties
10:05 — Pitching the box sets to EMI, and Fish's pub reunion proposal
13:27 — Marathon begins: number stations, spies and lyrics as relationship code
19:30 — The Anthropocene concept and what makes a human human
21:02 — Writing Amelia and 2051: Earhart, Kubrick, Clarke and Stephen Hawking
23:00 — Finding Ollie and hearing Amelia sung for the first time in New Orleans
29:15 — Why "Marathon"? The Ritchie Blackmore's Rainbow logic
34:07 — The lost song about plagiarism (and Led Zeppelin's borrowed blues)
39:00 — Why Amelia crashed: Morse code, blind spots and unknown unknowns
43:47 — Wingsuits, risk and how you'd want to go out
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