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This is the second of 2 parts on PE in critical care. The first focused on risk stratification and this one will focus on management. There is a link to a transcript of a more comprehensive talk with references on emergencymedicineireland.com for those keen enough to dive a little deeper. As noted in the last podcast this one leans very heavily on “in the my experience” level of the evidence pyramid and should be weighted as such.
For this discussion I’m going to assume your patient is in the ESC High risk category, ie hypotensive with a PE on imaging and you’re satisfied that the PE is causing the hypotension. I do believe there is a tiny cohort of the PE population who warrant aggressive reperfusion even with a normal appearing BP but at this stage I cannot say I have any evidence or guidance to really identify who they are and back that up.
For the original talk I gave on this to an EM audience, I split the interventions into helpful , distractions, and not helpful. It was probably a little bit of a provocative division if I’m honest. The slide is on the site for reference and viewing it will likely make what follows more edifying.
For the resus room patient in the first 30-60 mins I feel comfortable to standby my assertion that a short list of “helpful interventions” should includes lysis, anticoagulation, noradrenaline, oxygen and some CPR. In the ICU however we’re often present both at the first 30-60 mins but over next hours and many of the items on the “distraction” list become a little more relevant with time.
Number 1 on my list of helpful interventions is thrombolysis. As mentioned, if you have found PE and you have satisfied yourself that the sickness and hypotension you’re seeing is caused by that PE then you need to have a good reason not give thrombolysis. The evidence base is not high level RCTs but it is a class 1 recommendation on the ESC guidelines and the list of class 1 interventions is really quite short. In the 25 year old in resus with a massive PE day 3 after an arthroscopy the decision here seems pretty straightforward. However in the post trauma patient in the ICU with massive PE with a small traumatic SAH and an improving SDH and a recent laparotomy then the decision is orders of magnitude more complex and you may well find a very good reason why lysis is not an option.
There is not a straightforward answer to lysis because it will vary from patient to patient but I would emphasis that it is a question worth dedicating a decent chunk of your cognitive bandwidth to.
Dosing in an unstable patient is often 10mg of alteplase followed by 90mg over 2 hrs. Dosing in a cardiac arrest situation is typically a 50mg bolus.
Anticoagulation is one of the other class 1 recommendations on the ESC list. Opinions vary on agent of choice. With my ICU hat on I will almost always advocate for UFH as I feel confident that if i stop it, the heparin effect will be gone in a couple of hours when the inevitable bleeding starts. Opinions vary and I know smart people who advocate for LMWH in this scenario with one of the arguments being you probably get more reliable and quicker anti Xa effect.
Both the guidelines and your esteemed narrator recommend against volume resuscitation. Dumping a litre of crystalloid into the venous circulation will shift the IVS further towards the left impairing cardiac filling and doing the opposite of what you intended.
A much better resuscitation fluid would be noradrenaline. This is remarkably effective in improving BP and perfusion and I have often used it when I am 90% sure the patient has a PE but haven’t quite got the CT scan to prove it. The noradrenaline can also buy you a little time to make a better decision about the lysis and reperfusion, converting what would have been an immediate decision into something that you maybe have more like 30 mins to make. Certainly if the noradrenaline dosage is rising and the right h
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