Naomi Klein discusses the dangers of data centres, Steve Bannon’s hip hop musical and why our tech overlords want to be edgelords
The Louis Theroux PodcastShow Notes
Louis sits down with writer, activist and filmmaker Naomi Klein. They discuss Steve Bannon’s hip hop musical, why data centres are so dangerous, and the tech overlords/edgelords that inspired her latest book, End Times Fascism.
Warnings: Strong language and adult themes.
Links/Attachments:
Book: End Times Fascism, Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor (2026)
https://naomiklein.org/end-times-fascism/
Book: Doppelganger, Naomi Klein (2023)
https://naomiklein.org/doppelganger/
Interview: The full-length interview with Elon Musk, The Economist (2026)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuoqKYxDHVc
Play: The Thing I Am, Steve Bannon (1996-1997)
Podcast: Bannon’s WarRoom (2019-present)
https://open.spotify.com/show/0WyF2LaTcrpWfrTIeKjs1L
Book: No Logo, Naomi Klein (1999)
https://naomiklein.org/no-logo/
Song: Heart of Glass, Blondie (1979)
https://open.spotify.com/track/4v2rkl1mC3zVAz0nXMx9r4
Documentary: Bowling for Columbine (2002)
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0310793/
Credits:
Producer: Tom Fuller
Senior Assistant Producer: Maisie Ellen Williams
Junior Production Manager: Rosie Pender
Production Executive: Francesca Bassett
Original Music: Miguel D’Oliveira
Video Editor: Scott Edwards
Audio Editor: Tom Guest
Series Producer: Millie Chu
Executive Producer: Arron Fellows
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