
75: Bob Johansen: Curious about Futurism, BANI, VUCA and Cross-Generational Collaboration (Futurist)
The Curious Advantage PodcastShow Notes
In this episode Simon Brown, Paul Ashcroft, and Garrick Jones are joined by futurist Bob Johansen, who brings nearly five decades of experience in forecasting what’s next. Together, they dive into the power of curiosity and "future-back" thinking in navigating today’s uncertain world. From VUCA to BANI, Bob unpacks the frameworks shaping how we understand complexity—and why generative AI is a game-changer for leadership.
Discover the essential skills leaders need for the future, including augmented clarity and bioengaging, and hear how cross-generational collaboration is key to thriving in disruption. With reflections on faith, hope, and decision-making in an age of ambiguity, this conversation offers a hopeful yet grounded roadmap for staying curious in the face of the unknown.
00:00 The Journey of a Futurist 03:11 Understanding the Role of a Futurist 05:51 Engaging with Future Signals 09:00 The VUCA and BANI World 11:53 The Impact of Generative AI 15:05 Curiosity and Future Leadership 24:01 Curiosity and Future-Back Thinking 25:52 Key Skills for Future Leadership 32:10 Practical Augmentation for Leaders 36:21 Faith and Hope in a Changing World 42:01 Cross-Generational Collaboration and Neuroscience 48:05 Optimism in a Frightening Future
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