
Show Notes
Juan is who Jon becomes when he finally takes real time off. There is a specific shirt, one extra button undone, a jacuzzi and a cocktail. Then something breaks at the company, the shirt comes off, and Jon is back. In this one: the AI that told Jon to sit on the beach and not write about it, the three categories Arthur Brooks says will make you good at leisure, and the fourth one Peter's grandfather figured out that Brooks left off the list.
Chapters:00:00 - Intro00:59 - Welcome to Lazy Leverage01:39 - Brought to You by Sagan Passport02:59 - Leisure Is a Skill for Strivers07:51 - The Irony of Leisure Maxing10:46 - David Choe and Art With No Purpose12:46 - Alan Watts and Designing Your Environment17:05 - The Asset That Never Hits the Balance Sheet20:00 - Cocktail Hour at the Cottage23:20 - Meet Juan, Jon's Leisure Alter Ego27:09 - Category 1: Learning Things You Don't Have To31:51 - Category 2: Relationships Nobody Pays For35:57 - Category 3: Getting Philosophically Deeper39:56 - The Missing Fourth Category: Wasting Time43:48 - Why Your Best Ideas Arrive at Rest48:42 - The Head Trash Around Taking Time Off
References Mentioned in This Episode -
Books:The School of Life & de Botton, A. (2016). Small pleasures. The School of Life Press. (Jon refers to it as "Simple Pleasures" in the episode.)The School of Life. (2021). A simpler life: A guide to greater serenity, ease, and clarity. The School of Life Press.Putnam, R. D. (2000). Bowling alone: The collapse and revival of American community. Simon & Schuster.Allen, D. (2001). Getting things done: The art of stress-free productivity. Viking. Quotes Referenced:Alan Watts (paraphrased): if you live for a goal that sits in front of you, you will still be living in the future once you reach it.Arthur Brooks (paraphrased): leisure is not compensated, but it enriches us and it makes us better.Rob Dyrdek: "You can do exactly what you intended to do and still have a terrible experience. That's why we use Energy Ratings in Existence."Jeff Bezos (paraphrased): a senior executive only needs to make a small number of high-quality decisions a year.
People & Frameworks Cited:Arthur Brooks, Harvard Business School, on leisure as a developed skillAlain de Botton, Swiss-born philosopher and founder of The School of LifeAlan Watts, philosopherDavid Choe, artist, painted the mural in Facebook's first officeRob Dyrdek, founder of Existence, the time-tracking platform behind the calendarRobert Putnam, Bowling Alone, on the loss of third placesWim Hof, breath workCrane Breaks, Peter's month-off practice
Tools Mentioned in the Episode:Claude, Zapier, Notion, Slack, Riverside, Meta Ray-Ban smart glasses
Related Reading:Arthur Brooks on why leisure is a skill worth developing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1Sk2LgtJno
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