Genesis Marks the Spot

Unseen Realm Expanded with Mike Chu - A Heiser-ish Conversation Episode 148

Genesis Marks the Spot

Show Notes

Carey sits down with Mike Chu to talk through the new Unseen Realm - Expanded Edition, how Heiser clarified his stance on creeds, why frame semantics and ancient contexts matter, and why a Christotelic reading (aimed at the eschaton) can keep Scripture’s big story intact. Along the way: pastoral cautions about celebrity culture, the value of scholarship and seminary, and a practical reframing of Imago Dei as being made as God's image (not merely "in" it). Highlights include: Heiser’s "non-credal" (not anti-credal) posture, Genesis 6 in an exilic frame, and how holiness as "other" reshapes baptism, worship, and daily vocation.

What's actually new in Unseen Realm (Expanded Edition) and why it matters for teachers and small-group leaders Heiser on creeds: non-credal vs anti-credal, and using creeds as boundaries, not as an interpretive lens Christocentric vs Christotelic: aiming at the end goal of Christ (including the Spirit and the Eschaton) Reading Genesis 6 with an exilic Mesopotamian frame vs a Mosaic/Egyptian frame Imago Dei as vocation: "made as God's image," and why that lands pastorally The completion of AWKNG School of Theology's "Seminary on a Thumb Drive" initiative

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