
Show Notes
Falling in love is a gift. Staying in love requires something more—the willingness to grow into someone who can hold both connection and individuality without losing either.
In this conversation with Taylor Church of the Of Stone and Clay Podcast, Dr. Jennifer draws from her new book and research on sexuality to explore how we move from the magic of falling in love to the deeper work of creating lasting intimacy. She offers wisdom on navigating difference, sustaining desire, and why the challenges of marriage are not necessarily failures but invitations to grow.
Listen to the full episode to learn more about:
Sexual integration and what it means for intimate relationships How shame shapes our experience of sexuality Why vibrant living matters more than physical perfection for attraction The difference between accommodation and genuine choice in intimacy
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