Show Notes
A 15-herb cleanse gives you only about 30 to 50 mg of each herb, and a lot of people feel worse on it. Dr. Chris Motley sits down with Drs. Michael and Noah Lebowitz to talk about total load, why chasing one infection misses the rest, the milk thistle mycotoxin problem, and what “other ingredients” on a label really means. They also cover what’s on your organic produce, including a 2026 Texas settlement with Sprouts.
Sources are in the show notes.
Disclosure: The guests own Supreme Nutrition Products, and Dr. Motley earns an affiliate commission on it. Educational only, not medical advice.
00:00 Why a cleanse can make you feel worse
00:41 Welcome
00:52 Symptoms the labs can't explain
02:00 Disclosure: Supreme Nutrition and my affiliate code
02:45 What is total load?
03:58 Your body is a soup
05:01 Metals first? Parasites first? Why they don't prioritize
05:36 Twenty things wrong at the first visit
07:04 Do microbes make you sensitive to foods?
07:49 Reintroducing foods, then and now
08:42 Glyphosate, atrazine and the pesticide load
10:10 Organic cotton beach towels
10:58 When certified organic failed the tests
11:32 Copper on organic grapes, and the Sprouts settlement
12:14 Can herbs be contaminated too?
12:54 Wild-harvested isn't unsprayed
13:45 Store-bought detoxes and the milk thistle problem
15:22 Single herbs versus 15-ingredient formulas
17:21 The capsule math
17:41 Muscle testing and road trips to Klamath Lake
19:12 Muscle testing versus labs
19:43 Same moldy room, two different bodies
20:40 Do nutrient levels fix themselves?
21:12 Six brands of vitamin D
22:46 Fillers and what magnesium stearate is for
23:37 Read the other ingredients
24:19 Tinctures, glandulars and "grass-fed"
25:21 Plant protein versus animal protein
26:02 Adventists, Okinawa and your ancestry
28:07 Is your mouth feeding the rest of your body?
29:24 Cavitations: rarely the life changer
29:46 Thyroid, infections and nightshades
31:15 Disclaimer
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Disclosure: The guests own Supreme Nutrition Products, and Dr. Motley earns an affiliate commission on it. This episode is for educational purposes only and is not medical advice.
00:00 Why a cleanse can make you feel worse
00:41 Welcome
00:52 Symptoms the labs can't explain
02:00 Disclosure: Supreme Nutrition and my affiliate code
02:45 What is total load?
03:58 Your body is a soup
05:01 Metals first? Parasites first? Why they don't prioritize
05:36 Twenty things wrong at the first visit
07:04 Do microbes make you sensitive to foods?
07:49 Reintroducing foods, then and now
08:42 Glyphosate, atrazine and the pesticide load
10:10 Organic cotton beach towels
10:58 When certified organic failed the tests
11:32 Copper on organic grapes, and the Sprouts settlement
12:14 Can herbs be contaminated too?
12:54 Wild-harvested isn't unsprayed
13:45 Store-bought detoxes and the milk thistle problem
15:22 Single herbs versus 15-ingredient formulas
17:21 The capsule math
17:41 Muscle testing and road trips to Klamath Lake
19:12 Muscle testing versus labs
19:43 Same moldy room, two different bodies
20:40 Do nutrient levels fix themselves?
21:12 Six brands of vitamin D
22:46 Fillers and what magnesium stearate is for
23:37 Read the other ingredients
24:19 Tinctures, glandulars and "grass-fed"
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