Two Percent with Michael Easter

#36: Lessons From The Most Dangerous Job: Hotshot Firefighting | River Selby

Two Percent with Michael Easter

Show Notes

Michael speaks with River Selby, author of Hotshot: A Life on Fire, about what seven years as a wildland firefighter taught them about grit, belonging, and why landscapes need fire. They discuss:

0:00 Preview0:44 Becoming a hotshot firefighter5:27 Proving they belonged on the crew6:09 Why a hard childhood made a hard job easier8:55 What 48-hour wildfire shifts are like15:46 What fighting wildfires feels like17:51 Why landscapes need fire19:51 How fire suppression made wildfires worse23:48 Leaving the fire crew24:32 River Selby's life after firefighting This episode includes discussion of childhood abuse, addiction, and suicide. Two Percent is hosted by Michael Easter. Today's episode was produced by Joey Fischground, Robbie Hiser, Dana Brawer and Julia Nutter. From Kaleidoscope, our executive producers are Mangesh Hattikudur and Kate Osborn and Julia Nutter. From iHeart, our executive producers are Katrina Norvell and Nikki Ettore. Our Head of Video is Maria Paz Mendez Hodes. Our editor is Will Mayo. Our theme music is by the Heater Manager. Visit Two Percent, the #1 health and wellness Substack newsletter: https://www.twopct.com Follow Michael:https://twitter.com/Michael_Easterhttps://instagram.com/michael_easter/https://linkedin.com/in/michael-easter-b208848/https://www.facebook.com/people/Michael-Easter/100063709885769/https://tiktok.com/@michael_easter6 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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