Show Notes
Jay Bell, COO and Head of Business Transformation, Global Construction and Surety at Zurich North America, joins host James Benham live at ITC 2026 to explore AI, insurance transformation, and how to turn technology into measurable impact.
Jay served six years as an enlisted Marine, then worked as one of the first DSL installers in the country before starting over at 29 as a workers' comp claims adjuster at The Hartford. He became a team leader in about 18 months, traded his Six Sigma skills for an underwriting education, chose construction as the closest he could stay to a blue collar role within a white collar world, and went on to lead The Hartford's middle and large commercial programs before joining Zurich North America. He is also the author of The Goat in the Machine, a leadership field guide to turning AI activity into measurable impact.
In this episode: → Why so much AI work measures activity instead of impact, and why every rollout needs a baseline before it starts. → Why the industry keeps pointing efficiency efforts at the same intake problems and still expects a different return. → How Zurich's DAILY (Driving AI Literacy) group grew with no mandate and no budget, and turned casual users into citizen builders. → How to keep Lean and Six Sigma discipline while hiding the method from underwriters, and why operations should hire people who have done the underwriting job. → Seven goats, three sheep, and the story behind The Goat in the Machine and its free nine question team assessment.
Key Quotes: "I've started to get more relentlessly focused on the difference between activity and impact." "We're just continuing to do the same things we've always been doing." "It's all about empowering the people." "We're turning regular folks into real citizen builders."
Chapters: 00:00 Cold open 00:26 AI activity versus real impact, live at ITC 2026 01:36 Las Vegas, construction and surety 03:10 Connecticut roots and the Marine Corps 04:14 Marine assaultman, 1993 to 1999 05:11 From the phone company to work comp claims at 29 06:22 Team leader at 18 months and the Six Sigma trade into underwriting 07:42 Choosing construction: a blue collar role in a white collar world 08:07 Walking a mile in underwriting's shoes 10:32 Claims transformation without claims chaos 10:59 Not a technologist: empowering the individual 12:06 Activity versus impact: what can people do now? 12:45 Lean, 2 Second Lean and Six Sigma behind the scenes 14:57 AI, the multi-tool 15:29 DAILY: AI literacy with no mandate and no money 16:03 How a casual user became a citizen builder 17:03 Copilot, Cowork and the frontier models 18:34 The Goat in the Machine 19:11 Goats, sheep and leading with your weirdness 20:25 A field guide and a nine question team assessment 21:23 Goats clearing land 22:41 Where to get the book, and wrap up
🔗 Connect: Jay Bell: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jaybbell/ Zurich North America: https://www.zurichna.com | https://www.linkedin.com/company/zurich-north-america/ The Goat in the Machine (free copy): https://goatinthemachine.net
👤 Host: James Benham: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jbenham
🎙️ This episode is sponsored by Terra, the next-generation Workers' Comp and Commercial P&C Software. Visit 👉 https://terra.insure / https://www.linkedin.com/company/terrainsure/
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