Show Notes
Good work doesn’t automatically win. In this episode, Joe explains why strong ideas still get ignored — and why influence, timing and relationships matter every bit as much as craft. You’ll hear about the “second game” happening in every organization, how ideas actually move and what it takes to make your work survive in the real world. And make no mistake: this is NOT about selling out. It's about making sure you understand how change really happens — and what it takes to make it so. .....
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