Norm Finkelstein

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Our guest is Norman Finkelstein, the longtime critic of Israel, and critic of the way the memory of the Holocaust—which both his parents survived—has been exploited to justify Israel’s actions. He has written a new book, titled Gaza’s Gravediggers. I talked to Norman about what it’s like—after decades as a political outcast—to see his views becoming mainstream. I asked him about his concern, which I share, that legitimate fury at Israel is fueling conspiracy theories that exonerate the United States. And I asked about his friend and mentor, Noam Chomsky, and what he thinks Chomsky might have said in response to October 7 and the Gaza genocide.