
How Clay Uses AI in Their Own GTM with Everett Berry
GTM Science - A show for GTM and RevOps leadersShow Notes
Everett Berry's view is that an agent is only as good as the context you hand it, and that managing that context matters more than the task you give it or how you prompt it. In this episode, Eddie Reynolds sits down with Everett, Head of Go to Market Engineering at Clay, who has also led their sales team, to discuss how Clay uses AI in their own GTM. Everett gets into why wiring an agent to all your systems over MCP doesn't work the way people expect, how Clay recut territories around account momentum rather than headcount, where he draws the line on vibe coding inside go to market, and which role he expects to be automated before the SDR. Resources Mentioned in This Episode: The AI-Driven Continuously Self-Improving ICP USC Frameworks Everett Berry on LinkedIn 01:42 - What an account agent actually is 04:55 - An agent is only as good as its context 06:03 - An hour of Gong eats 50,000 tokens 10:35 - Software engineers are a year ahead of GTM 12:42 - Why territories are a thorny problem right now 13:29 - Catching Cursor at 30 people 14:58 - The progress you can't see in the data 17:34 - Momentum over headcount 20:35 - Letting the marketing engine find new personas 30:36 - Build the loop with you in the middle 32:32 - Where vibe coding belongs and where it doesn't 40:43 - Why the sales engineer falls before the SDR 46:35 - The list is the message 50:15 - Why Clay avoids cold outbound __________________________________________________________ GTM STRATEGY & AI ENGINEERING FOR B2B TECH ● Website ● LinkedIn ● TikTok
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