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How to make social media safer for children

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Show Notes

One in five children aged 3–5 already owns a smartphone and 95% of 13–15 year-olds have a social media profile. Is the UK's Online Safety Act failing to protect them and is a blanket ban on social media the answer? In this episode of Policy Fix, host Joe Owen sits down with Tony Curzon Price, economist and policy fellow at Nesta, and Hannah Perry, Director at Demos, to untangle one of the most urgent policy debates of our time: how do we regulate social media for children without doing more harm than good? They explore: Why the Online Safety Act has 'barely touched the sides' and what went wrong

The evidence base for social media harm, from Jonathan Haidt's correlations to natural experiments tracking Facebook's campus rollout

Why Australia's age-based ban may push kids toward riskier, less regulated spaces

The case for product regulation - treating social media like a dangerous car that should be made safer, rather than trying to ban driving

Tony's bold proposal: a BBC Club Kids social network, launched by 2028

Hannah's vision for community-rooted digital spaces and epistemic sovereignty

What the government consultation should actually deliver, including bringing AI chatbots inside the scope of the Online Safety Act

If you work in policy, edtech, child welfare, or digital regulation or if you're a parent trying to make sense of a system that feels broken this episode is essential listening. Note that this episode was recorded before the recent judgement against Meta and YouTube in the US. Nesta is a politically impartial research and innovation charity designing, testing, and scaling solutions to society's biggest problems. Subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Episode Chapters

00:00 What’s coming up: "A full-time job for parents": the social media treadmill 01:09 Welcome to Policy Fix. Introducing Joe, Tony Curzon Price & Hannah Perry 02:01 Setting the scene: is this a moral panic, or something genuinely different? 03:43 The stats: 1 in 5 toddlers has a phone; 95% of teens on social media 04:03 Evidence of harm. Child deaths, compulsive scrolling & displaced real-world activity 05:01 The causality debate: what Jonathan Haidt's research actually shows 06:30 The Facebook campus study — a natural experiment pointing to causality 07:33 The willingness-to-pay study: users know they're trapped and want out 08:25 How did we get here? The attention-harvesting business model explained 10:13 The algorithm arms race. Sarah Wynn-Williams and the Facebook whistleblower revelations 11:26 From Father Coughlin to Facebook: what radio history tells us about regulating media 13:23 Why the Online Safety Act has barely touched the sides 15:35 Why has this crisis bubbled back up the agenda now? 17:43 Should we ban social media for children? Tony makes the case against 19:05 The upside of social media why a blanket ban risks throwing the baby out with the bathwater 21:16 Hannah on the ban: 50% of parents would evade it, and it breaks trust with kids 23:34 Are "cuter" regulatory solutions also doomed to fail? 23:50 Tony's alternative: a public service construction of a good platform 26:44 Hannah's vision. BBC charter renewal, epistemic sovereignty & community digital spaces 29:31 What should the BBC practically do in the upcoming charter renewal? 32:26 The wider policy toolkit: no silver bullet, but an array of solutions 34:45 Tony on family-level solutions, network monitoring without surveillance 37:53 Australia's ban evaluation: is it reducing family conflict? 38:22 The BBC's new role in media literacy and cultural norm shift 39:05 What to watch for after the consultation closes 39:27 Hannah's ask: include AI chatbots in the Online Safety Act 40:08 Tony's ask: the BBC must become the platform, not feed it 41:52 One thing for Keir Starmer. Tony on cyberspace experimentation 42:49 Hannah's closing call: strengthen the Online Safety Act with safety-by-design 43:14 Sign-off

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