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This episode explores the differences between indoor and outdoor cycling, examining research findings, muscle activation, and practical tips for optimizing indoor training. Hosted by Cam Nicholls with expert insights from RCA coach Ben Treble, it offers valuable guidance for cyclists aiming to improve performance and understand the nuances of training environments. Stannards: https://stannards.com.au/ RCA: https://roadcyclingacademy.com/
key topics Indoor vs outdoor cycling differences Research findings on power output Muscle activation during cycling Practical tips for indoor training Equipment and setup considerations
Chapters 00:00 Introduction to the episode and guest 00:27 Why are we discussing indoor vs outdoor cycling? 01:20 Research insights on indoor vs outdoor power output 02:09 Adjusting power zones for indoor training 03:00 Power meter differences and calibration 04:19 Key research findings on power output differences 06:43 Muscle activation differences between indoor and outdoor cycling 08:01 Summary of research and individual differences 09:52 Variability in power output and environmental factors 11:42 Practical tips for indoor training setup 14:07 Why indoor feels harder and how to adapt 16:44 Muscle activation and fatigue in indoor cycling 19:52 Key takeaways for indoor training optimization
Transcript: Cam Nicholls (00:01.804) Welcome to the RCA podcast designed for recreational and amateur road cyclists with a focus on performance. We dive into cycling training, nutrition, strength training for cyclists and even bike fitting tips all designed to help you train smarter, ride faster and hopefully tear your mates legs off. So without further ado, let's dive into today's episode. Cam Nicholls (00:27.746) Welcome back to the RCA podcast where today I'm joined by RCA coach Ben Trevill. We're in a hotel room in Sydney. Why are we in a hotel room in Sydney, Ben? What are you doing here? Ben Treble (00:38.411) I'm here supporting the RCA Pro Velo League team for the Sydney Harbour City GP races. Cam Nicholls (00:45.602) You're doing the DS, the director's sporting. Ben Treble (00:47.667) Yeah, filling in for Ryan who's getting on the pedals. Cam Nicholls (00:51.308) Yeah. And I'm here attempting to make some content and I thought we'd use this opportunity to get together face to face and, you know, talk about some relevant topics for the audience training related, of course. The first one that I wanted to talk about is indoor versus outdoor cycling and the differences in, I guess, sensation and power output. Because I know a lot of RCA members that I've dealt with in the past and I know that you deal with do... tend to not struggle more, but they feel it's a little bit more difficult on the indoor versus the outdoor. But Yona, you've had a look at the research and the research may suggest something a little bit different. So I wanted to dig into that and hopefully we can come to some sort of conclusion at end of this discussion. I'm not sure if we will, but what's the research telling you when it comes to indoor versus outdoor? Ben Treble (01:41.486) Yeah, I think I will start by saying often when we look at research to practice, we find differences. So yeah, in practice, it's exactly what I felt personally, the feedback I get from my writers, what you've heard is that yeah, indoor training feels harder and it's kind of the perception that people even go as far to say you need to test indoors and outdoors and have different thresholds for indoors, outdoors and different zones or down adjust your zones by 5 % for indoors, for example. Cam Nicholls (02:09.198) Is that what you do with your members? Ben Treble (02:10.765) I do not know. Okay. If they need to down adjust it a couple percent for a certain session, like I'm not against it if it means they get through it, but generally, no, I don't set up separate zones for indoors outdoors. would only be if someone said to me,
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