#54: Beyond Profit: Andrew Winston on Why the Best Companies Create More Value Than They Take

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What if the most successful companies of the future are the ones that give back more than they take? In this episode of World's Greatest Business Thinkers, host Nick Hague sits down with sustainability strategist, driver of change, and Net Positive co-author Andrew Winston to explore how businesses can move beyond minimizing harm and start creating measurable positive impact. They discuss why purpose-driven companies build stronger competitive advantages, how the five principles of net positive leadership reshape strategy, and why true impact requires looking across the entire value chain. Andrew shares lessons learned from companies like Unilever and Tony's Chocolonely to explain how leaders can build collective courage through partnerships. Nick and Andrew also discuss how AI can drive operational efficiency while simultaneously preparing organizations for workforce disruption. Be sure to listen in to this conversation about why creating a better world may be the smartest business strategy today. What You Will Learn: How to reframe sustainability as a profit driver, not a cost

The Five Core Principles framework for building a net positive enterprise

Why the Unilever vs. Kraft Heinz battle reveals the future of corporate strategy

How to identify and measure what actually matters in your business

Why collective courage, not individual heroism, drives meaningful change

How to navigate the AI revolution without repeating past sustainability mistakes

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About the Guest: Andrew Winston is a globally recognized sustainability strategist, author, speaker, and advisor helping companies build strategies that create value for business, society, and the planet. Named to the Thinkers50 2021 list of top management thinkers, Andrew is the coauthor of Net Positive: How Courageous Companies Thrive by Giving More Than They Take and author of The Big Pivot and Green to Gold. For over 20 years, he has worked with leading organizations, including Unilever, HP, PepsiCo, Marriott, and PwC, to navigate sustainability, innovation, and long-term growth. His writing has appeared in Harvard Business Review, MIT Sloan Management Review, and other leading publications.

Quotes: "We felt that the kind of flag we needed to plant was to say that businesses need to be regenerating, helping heal at the same time, so that they are profiting and growing by improving the world, and improving the lives of all their stakeholders. The core question we ask throughout the book is: Is the world better off because your business is in it? It's not the kind of question we're taught in business school, which is really remarkable when you think about it."

"We've gotten into a kind of fifty-year period where the purpose of business is apparently just being short-term profits for shareholders. But the system optimizes for profits, and that generates quality of life for people; it's not nothing. But it doesn't actually optimize for making sure we have a thriving world for all, and that's really the ultimate purpose of our mission."

"To set yourself up for the future and innovate requires some courage, to sometimes kill things you've done very well for a long time because somebody else will. Businesses have gotten much more conservative, not politically, but in terms of innovation and driving their thinking. That's a shame, and it also means we're not maybe innovating as much as we could.