Show Notes
In this new episode, Crawlspace Media's Tim Pilleri and Lance Reenstierna discuss the possibility of a missing person having vanished in a cave or abandoned mine in the continental United States.
Across the American wilderness lie hundreds of thousands of hidden subterranean hazards, from rotting false floors in forgotten mine shafts to deceptive pit caves off the beaten path. In this episode, we dive into the chilling statistics, examine high-profile missing persons cases like Kenny Veach and Jared Negrete, and explore what really happens when the backcountry opens beneath your feet.
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