Since Attlee & Churchill

Brexit Referendum: 10 Years On - Special Episode with Matthew Elliott

Since Attlee & Churchill

Show Notes

Ten years after the landmark referendum that set Britain on course to leave the European Union, what really went on behind the scenes of the campaign that transformed British politics? In this special episode of Since Attlee & Churchill, Lee and Richard are joined by Matthew Elliott, the former Chief Executive of Vote Leave (and previously Political Director of No to AV), to discuss his new book, 'Ten Years On'. They explore the arguments, strategy, personalities and pivotal moments that shaped the 2016 EU referendum - and consider what would have had to go differently for Remain to pull off a win instead.

'Ten Years On: My Brexit Story' by Matthew Elliott is available at: https://uk.bookshop.org/a/16406/9781837360758 *** Since Attlee & Churchill is a podcast about post-war British politics - since Attlee & Churchill - and is hosted by Lee David Evans, an historian of the Conservative Party, and Richard Johnson, an historian of the Labour Party. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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