K9s Talking Scents

#104 Belief is the Death of Reason with Dr. Nathan Hall and Dr. Paola Tiedemann

K9s Talking Scents

Show Notes

In this episode, Dr. Nathan Hall and Dr. Paola Tiedemann discuss their research on canine detection applications and the use of olfactometers. They explain that olfactometers are scientific instruments used to provide measured and standardized odors to animals. The researchers have been working on miniaturizing olfactometers and making them more rugged for various applications. They also discuss the merging of technology and dogs, predicting that within a few years, cameras and olfactometers could be used for initial dog training. They also explore the importance of the handler-dog relationship and the potential for technology to provide confirmation of the dog's findings. In this part of the conversation, Cameron and Paola discuss the importance of unifying the protocols and procedures used in scent detection. They emphasize the need to consider variables such as the length of time, collection methods, and the type of container used. They also discuss the plausibility of dogs remembering scents in real-world environments and the challenges of training dogs to match samples with different variations. They touch on the impact of factors like stress, medication, and age on human scent and the need for further research in these areas. They also highlight the importance of training dogs on a variety of targets and distractors to improve their ability to generalize and avoid false positives. Finally, they discuss the challenges of introducing new samples and variations in training and the need for ongoing evaluation and testing. In this final part of the conversation, Cameron Ford and Nathan Hall discuss the importance of challenging and critically evaluating detection dog training methods. They emphasize the need for accurate and informed decision-making in operational scenarios. They also explore the impact of odor concentration on a dog's ability to generalize and detect targets. The conversation then shifts to the research on firearms detection, including the significance of gunshot residue (GSR) and the volume of odor. They discuss the challenges of training dogs on different concentrations of odor and the importance of training on the actual weapon rather than just the powder. Finally, they touch on the ongoing research on ghost guns and the need to understand the odor profiles of 3D printed firearms.

Joint Symposium for Working K9s April 7 -10 2025 http://jswk9.com

Ford K9 for everything Detection Dogs go visit http://www.fordk9.com

More from K9s Talking Scents

Oct 9, 2026

A dog can succeed on its usual training aids and still miss a different version of the target. Steve Stoops joins Cameron Ford to explain what that lesson taught him—and how his experience in law enforcement and special operations shaped his approach to detection training. Steve discusses building odor value before finishing the indication, using known hides to educate handlers, selecting dogs that can work through human mistakes, and the challenge of balancing detection with apprehension work. He also shares a Baghdad deployment where a dog indicated on explosives behind a wall, while Cameron explores how packaging, training-aid variation, and cognition can affect performance. The conversation closes with Steve’s experience advising Brad Pitt on combat dog handling for Heart of the Beast, including rehearsing a helicopter scene with a dog and 60 pounds of kit. Throughout the episode, the question remains: does the training prepare the team for the work?

Sep 25, 2026

What does it take for a K9 team to move from a tactical entry to an explosive detection search? Former FBI Hostage Rescue Team operator Mike Skinner joins Cameron Ford to discuss the training and dog selection behind that transition—and why the work has to be practiced in the conditions teams may actually face. Mike shares lessons from HRT deployments, including a Herkimer operation in which his dog repeatedly headed toward an area the team was not yet searching. He and Cameron also discuss detection cues, rewarding at source versus calling a dog back for reward, laser directionals, and what a missed odor at a threshold taught Mike about preparing for the next search. For handlers and trainers, this conversation comes back to a demanding question: Have you trained the dog for the search you’re about to ask it to do? STRATOS K9 — EVENT & VENUE DETECTION TEAMS Premier Explosive Detection & Firearm Detection Dog teams for:• Large-scale events• Conferences & expos• Concerts & festivals• Corporate security & dignitary operations Our dogs are specialists, not generalists — one mission, one discipline, no cross-training. 👉 Learn more: https://StratosK9.com 📩 For event inquiries: [email protected] 🐕 CONNECT WITH US ON SOCIALS Stratos K9Instagram: https://instagram.com/stratosk9 LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/stratosk9 Ford K9Instagram: https://instagram.com/fordk9detection Facebook: https://facebook.com/FordK9Detection

Sep 11, 2026

Shannon Krieger shares 30 years of military and law enforcement dog training experience—from pioneering SOCOM's canine detection programs to developing the "social gorilla" selection philosophy that changed how we choose working dogs. This episode covers real operational stories, the evolution from direct-action assault dogs to advanced detection capabilities, and the training philosophy that made him one of the most respected figures in the detection dog community.

Aug 28, 2026

Jordana Gamble (former Canada Border Services Agency handler, Food/Plant/Animal canine handler) reveals the world of biosecurity and agricultural detection dogs—the discipline that gets zero love but produces the most finds. Working at Toronto Pearson Airport and international postal facilities, Jordana discusses the challenges, the rivalry with drug dog handlers, and why this is actually the BEST detection dog career.What We Cover:The path to becoming an ag/biosecurity handler: CBSA selection, 10-week academy, dog pairingDrug dog dropouts make excellent ag dogs (motivation differences: food vs. toys)Postal mode detection: endless boxes, short searches, keeping dogs engaged all dayPassenger mode detection: baggage carousels, fluid environment, longer search timesTraining aids: grocery store meat, smoked products, cured items, real food variationThe generalization nightmare: raw vs. cured vs. smoked meats confuse dogsFalse positives: baked goods with apple filling (legal but dog alerts)Real finds: grass cutters, dried monkeys, Iberian ham, endangered species, live animal smugglingThe rivalry: "Apple Dogs" vs. "Sausage Police" vs. Drug HandlersThreat response: African swine flu prevention, bird flu concerns, economic protectionDaily find rates: 10+ interceptions per day (vs. drug handlers going weeks with nothing)Reading your dog after thousands of finds: knowing fish smell vs. rotten ham vs. pork flossFinal response problems: dogs going active on bags (markers saved training)The "dog brain" override: when smell/frustration overrides trained behaviorWhy postal is physically brutal but rewardingHandler advice: never turn down an ag dog positionCareer satisfaction: dogs see work as playground, not just trainingWhy agricultural detection protects economies and industriesThe hidden importance of biosecurity workJordana worked both postal (conveyor lines, thousands of parcels) and passenger (airport baggage) modes. She shares how target-rich environments accelerate handler development—you get hundreds of finds to learn from, versus drug dogs going weeks without positive reinforcement. She also discusses the competitive dynamic with her drug handler husband, who now wishes he had her find rate.Critical Takeaway: "Detection work is detection work. Whether you're looking for drugs, firearms, currency, or food—it's all the same. Don't be too proud for the ag dog."________________________________________🧠 TRAIN WITH FORD K9 — ONLINE & IN PERSONLevel up your detection dog training with Ford K9’s full education ecosystem:🔥 ONLINE COURSES & LECTURESOdor Pays System, Air Movement, Cognition, Problem Solving & more👉 https://FordK9.com🔥 FORD K9 MEMBERSHIP (BEST VALUE)Members-only seminars, monthly lessons, exclusive Q&As, full video library👉 https://FordK9.com/memberships🔥 IN-PERSON CLASSES — SANTA ROSA, CADetection Handler SchoolDetection Dog Training ClassOdor Pays Workshops👉 Sign up at: https://FordK9.com🛡️ STRATOS K9 — EVENT & VENUE DETECTION TEAMSPremier Explosive Detection & Firearm Detection Dog teams for:• Large-scale events• Conferences & expos• Concerts & festivals• Corporate security & dignitary operationsOur dogs are specialists, not generalists — one mission, one discipline, no cross-training.👉 Learn more: https://StratosK9.com📩 For event inquiries: [email protected]🐕 CONNECT WITH US ON SOCIALSStratos K9Instagram: https://instagram.com/stratosk9LinkedIn: https://linkedin.com/company/stratosk9Ford K9Instagram: https://instagram.com/fordk9detectionFacebook: https://facebook.com/FordK9Detection

Aug 27, 2026

Armin Winkler (renowned detection dog trainer, international expert) and Cameron Ford break down why current K9 certification standards don't actually validate operational readiness. They discuss why training records matter more than certifications in court, why everyone trains for the test instead of the job, and what real operational readiness actually looks like.

See all episodes →