Words Of This Life Show

From Paper-Mache to Reality: Finding Christ w/ Willie Wise

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Show Notes

In this episode of Words of This Life, Pablo and Ayo are joined by former ABA champion and NBA player Willie Wise for a rich conversation about life, faith, and what truly gives meaning to human life.

Willie shares about growing up in San Francisco as one of ten children, living “from meal to meal,” and how basketball became the path that eventually led him to Drake University and the 1969 Final Four. From there, he went on to play professionally in the ABA and NBA, facing legendary players and experiencing the highest levels of the game.

Along the way, Willie also shares his experiences growing up during a time when racism and cultural tensions were very present in the United States. He speaks honestly about the atmosphere of the 50s and 60s, the challenges many faced, and how he has continued to view these issues even today.

One of the central lines from this episode captures the heart of his testimony: “Reality is Jesus Christ. Everything else is papier-mâché.” Willie explains how so many things people pursue can seem solid, but in the end only Christ remains as the true reality that gives life meaning.

This episode is also our first remote split-screen recording, and we’re thankful to share Willie’s story with you.

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