Seaweed, Green Roofs, and Making Environmentalism Fun with Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson
That Can't Be True with Chelsea ClintonShow Notes
From gas stoves polluting our air to microplastics sneaking into our food, we are surrounded by reminders that the way we treat our planet impacts our health. And in order to keep our families safe, we need to prioritize keeping our earth safe. Few people know that better than Dr. Ayana Elizabeth Johnson. She started her career as a marine biologist – but has expanded her reach well beyond the oceans to become known as the go-to expert when discussing not just climate science, but climate solutions. And she’s doing it all with a large dose of joy and optimism. Chelsea and Ayana discuss the cuts to the national forest service, the Artemis II mission, and how to put your values into action, from your home to your 401k.
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