Ep 1451 | A Professional Magician Pushes Back Against Christians Who Call His Work Demonic
Unashamed with the Robertson FamilySummary
The latest discussion features Stephen Bargatze, a magician and comedian, who shares his unique journey from a troubled childhood to finding purpose through faith and performance. Growing up in a dysfunctional home, Bargatze faced numerous challenges, including a traumatic dog attack that left him with speech difficulties. Despite these obstacles, he discovered magic as a means of expression and connection, eventually using it to share his faith.
Bargatze recounts how his early experiences shaped his understanding of grace and mercy, particularly in relation to his mother, who struggled with her own demons. He emphasizes the importance of forgiveness and the transformative power of love, recounting a poignant moment before his mother's passing when he was able to apologize for past grievances. This encounter deepened his appreciation for mercy, which he believes is often more crucial than grace.
Throughout the conversation, Bargatze reflects on the intersection of faith and entertainment, arguing that humor can be a powerful tool for sharing the gospel. He aims to break down the barriers between secular and sacred, encouraging others to embrace their unique talents as a means of glorifying God. His story serves as a reminder that everyone has a purpose, and that even the most challenging backgrounds can lead to a fulfilling life dedicated to helping others.
Show Notes
Professional magician Stephen Bargatze joins Jase, Al and Zach to recount his painful childhood, including abuse, a traumatic dog attack and the struggles that nearly cost him his life. Stephen opens up about discovering Jesus, finding his purpose through comedy and magic, and learning to extend mercy to his mother after decades of estrangement. Jase and Stephen find common ground in using entertainment to introduce people to the Gospel, while the guys tackle the biblical controversy surrounding magic and illusion. Stephen also performs a few unforgettable tricks and reflects on how God transformed his family's darkest moments into a legacy of faith, laughter and forgiveness.
In this episode: Revelation 21:8; Exodus 7–8
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Chapters
00:00 A Christian Magician Raises Some Questions
05:12 Stephen Bargatze’s Painful Childhood
10:38 From Special Education to Show Business
18:05 A Desperate Moment Changes Everything
21:32 Discovering the Truth About God’s Grace
27:06 Finding Common Ground in Faith
33:15 Magic, Poker & Double Standards
38:40 Stephen’s Unusual Bible Trick
42:25 A Final Visit to His Dying Mother
49:10 The Bargatze Family’s Secret to Finding Joy
54:30 God Has a Purpose for Every Life
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