
Episode 98 – The Nature of the Evidence by May Sinclair
A Podcast to the Curious - The M.R. James PodcastShow Notes
M.R. James said that sex had no place in a ghost story. But was he right? This episode we attempt to answer this question and more, as we cover The Nature of the Evidence by May Sinclair, a tale from 1923 about a couple who just want to enjoy their wedding night. Is that too much to ask? Apparently, yes.
Thanks to Debbie Wedge for providing the readings for this episode, and don’t forget to check out Ghostly Encounters, the haunting free interactive event that Debbie is helping organise in Oxford on the 20th April 2024.
Show notes:
The Nature of the Evidence by May Sinclair (gutenberg.org)
This story, along with the others from May Sinclair’s Uncanny Stories can be read in full at Project Gutenberg.
May Sinclair (maysinclairsociety.com)
Sinclair had a fascinating life. You can see a shortish biography of her here (or go big and read Suzanne Raitt’s 2000 biography).
‘Some Remarks on Ghost Stories’ by M.R. James (berfrois.com)
M.R. James made his feelings on sex in ghost stories abundantly clear in this article published in The Bookman in 1929.
‘Ghosts, Treat Them Gently’ by M.R. James (mrjamesarchive.wordpress.com)
James returned to the subject of sex in ghost stories a few years later in this article he wrote for the Evening News in April 1931. TLDR: still not a fan.
The Idealism and Pantheism of May Sinclair (Panpsycast Philosophy Podcast)
This story is steeped in the concepts of Idealism, a school of philosophical thought for which May Sinclair was passionate advocate.
Matrimonial Causes Act, 1923 (womenslegallandmarks.com)
This story touches on the thorny issue of divorce in the United Kingdom in the 1920s. In the same year this story was published, a landmark piece of legislation was passed that leveled the playing field between women and men in the area of divorce.
The Lipstick Revolution of the 1920s (britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk)
The character of Pauline in this story seems to reflect a sea-change in attitudes towards female beauty during this period, characterised by growing social acceptability of wearing lipstick. In this story it carries a hint of Pauline’s self-expression and sexual freedom.
St. Paul on sex and marriage (mit.edu)
Pauline’s name may be inspired by the words of St. Paul, who had some choice things to say on the matter of sex, marriage and in particular unmarried women who ‘cannot control themselves’!
Stages of (Victorian Mourning) and Fifty Shades of Purple (lilacandbombazine.wordpress.com)
Pauline should have probably realised that Marston was not yet over the death of his first wife when she finds that their marital bedroom is decorated almost complete in purple, the traditional colour of extended mourning.
The Lost Ancient Practice of Communal Sleeping (bbc.com)
The fact that Marston and Pauline have separate bedrooms may seem strange to modern sensibilities, but for a long time it was the norm for a husband and wife to sleep in separate beds. Only after the 1950’s did it begin to be regarded as a sign that something was wrong in a marriage.
The Victorian Cult of Child Innocence (psychlit271.blogspot.com)
Marston’s seeming obsession with the ‘childlike innocence’ of his young bride Rosamund reflects Victorian attitudes towards children and the preservation of their ‘innocent’ state. Well, the children of the upper classes anyway. The children of the poor were not regarded quite so delicately!
May Sinclair and Psychology (maysinclairsociety.com)
The psychoanalysis of Freud and Jung was another huge influence on May. In February 1923, Sinclair delivered a speech to the Aristotelian Society that’s highly suggestive of this story: did Marston and Rosamund’s desire elevate them all the way to May’s “Ultimate Consciousness”?
‘We tried to have sex with ghosts and here’s what happened’ (buzzfeed.com)
Is having sex with ghosts a real thing? Absolutely not. But admit it, you still want to click the link to the above Buzzfeed article, don’t you? Go on, we won’t tell anyone.
Blu
More from A Podcast to the Curious - The M.R. James Podcast
This episode Mike and Will examine Curfew by Lucy M. Boston, a childhood tale of haunted bells, unearthed coffins and post-Jamesian highjinx aplenty.
Hold on to your mummy! This episode Mike and Will discuss Mark Gatiss’s recent Ghost Story for Christmas TV adaptation Lot 249, as well as the Arthur Conan Doyle short story it is based on.
This episode, Mike and Will grab their literary toboggans and gallop joyously out into the snow, only to be hit in the face by a terrifying fictional snowball in the form of Louisa Baldwin’s The Real and the Counterfeit!
Who would win in a fight between a man and a bed? Find the answer to this question and more in our new episode on The Weird of the Walfords by Louisa Baldwin! Also, if you like emotionally-repressed Victorian husbands, you will not leave disappointed.
This episode we speak with two experts to better understand Eleanor Scott and her story Randall’s Round, Dr Vicky Margree and Prof Dan Orrells. We discuss what’s known about Eleanor Scott, her time at Oxford University in the early 1900s and the role of gender, folklore and imperialism in her writing.