175. Ex-Director of GCHQ: China, Russia, and the Threats Facing the UK (Jeremy Fleming)
The Rest Is Politics: LeadingShow Notes
Do Russia or China represent a bigger risk to UK national security? Why are we underestimating the threat posed by cybercriminals? Who holds the real power - ministers or spies?
Rory and Alastair are joined by Jeremy Fleming, formerly of GCHQ and MI5, to answer all this and more.
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