The Nonprofit Workforce Paradox: Who Pays for Doing Good? — with Elaine Ng, TSNE

How are you bringing courage and integrity to your leadership right now? What does it take to lead a nonprofit or social movement when the current is pushing hard in the opposite direction? In this inspiring and tactical episode, you’ll get lessons from more than two decades of leadership. Host Rusty Stahl talks with longtime reproductive justice leader and author Eveline Shen about her book, Choosing to Lead Against the Current. You'll learn Eveline's “Courageous Operating System,” an approach to nonprofit leadership that brings purpose, values, integrity, strengths, success, failure, and other 'assets' into alignment. They explore the courage required to say no, set boundaries, claim power, support leaders, build healthier organizational cultures, resist burnout and despair, and move collectively rather than hunkering down in isolation. Eveline also shares four practices for navigating 'turbulent times': centering, connection, creativity, and change. Download the transcript in .pdf format: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13kQohE3-PmKvcQPHVgjzO_NRRA67WUMt/view?usp=sharing

What happens when fear pushes nonprofits to pull back from their missions, and how can the sector respond? In this episode, you’ll get a framework for understanding threats to American democracy and how nonprofits and funders can push back while staying true to their missions. Democracy Fund President Joe Goldman joins Fund the People CEO Rusty Stahl to examine four tests for democratic resilience: free and fair elections, the rule of law, communities’ ability to resist abuses of power, and support for leaders and organizations under attack. Part of FTP’s Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy series, Joe argues that retreating in the face of intimidation puts nonprofit independence at greater risk. He urges philanthropy to stand behind the organizations it funds and calls on nonprofits of every mission to reject isolation, build community, and stand together. From legal defense and donor pressure to neighbors helping neighbors, Joe makes the case for collective action rooted in a shared conviction: nonprofits still have the power to defend democracy and shape what comes next. Download a PDF of the episode transcript: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1lXsbmIHtL693H9XEOQqsVdqNG8guGhPa/view?usp=share_link About Joe Goldman: https://democracyfund.org/bio/joe-goldman/ Resources mentioned Joe Goldman, “Hope in the Dark: Four Tests for the Pro-Democracy Movement in 2026,” Nonprofit Quarterly: https://nonprofitquarterly.org/hope-in-the-dark-four-tests-for-the-pro-democracy-movement-in-2026/ “Trump Officials Ramp Up Investigations into Voter Registration Groups,” The New York Times — https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/07/us/politics/trump-voter-registration-noncitizens-investigation.html Free Your DAF — https://freeyourdaf.org/#/ Connect with Joe Goldman Democracy Fund: https://democracyfund.org/ Joe Goldman’s columns in Nonprofit Quarterly: https://nonprofitquarterly.org/series/hope-in-the-dark/ Joe Goldman on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/joepgoldman/ Fund the People Links: Fund the People website: ⁠https://fundthepeople.org/ Fund the People Podcast: ⁠https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/fund-the-people⁠ Join the FTP Podcast Premium community over on Patreon for extended episodes, bonus content, and more: ⁠http://patreon.com/fundthepeople Related FTP Episodes Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series (Spotify Playlist): https://open.spotify.com/playlist/45UnbWYeqzDY9U2DVWDcHm?si=jtviLQ_3RbCuilHzTGpmRQ&utm_source=copy-link&pi=i_mnLbmeTjqnk Level Up: Helping Funders Give More, Faster — with Jodeen Olguín-Tayler, CHANGE Philanthropy: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5fImhmrnZXZ1rhdu3UvSfr?si=8EPlBHbhQhSv07OzDgEuYA Minnesota Nice, Nonprofit Fierce: Defending the Sector, Midwest Style — with Nonoko Sato, Minnesota Council of Nonprofits: https://open.spotify.com/episode/3RYBKdgY0yqGOwIRmhzkUY?si=f071f110617e4e87 Silence Isolates, Solidarity Shields — with Tonya Allen, McKnight Foundation: https://open.spotify.com/episode/5tpJidVf192lowo6vBMmbo?si=e2e08b26ba0d43ad

What if one of the most powerful ways nonprofits can strengthen their workforce is to make people spend less time at work? Today's co-host Dr. Betsy Leondar-Wright (Fund the People) introduces the Upgrading Nonprofit Workplaces case studes, which documents how nonprofits are improving job quality and working conditions to increase their impact. This episode focuses on our case study on work time. Adam Jespersen (Montana Nonprofit Association) describes how his organization moved from pandemic exhaustion to a four-day workweek with no reduction in pay—and why the change has stuck. Then Dr. Juliet Schor (Boston College and Four Day Week Global) puts the case study into context. Drawing on research involving hundreds of organizations, she discusses what happens to workers, jobs, and organizational performance when work time is reduced. The episode closes by considering what shorter workweeks could mean for nonprofits in an era of AI-driven productivity gains. Download the transcript in .pdf format. Guests: Adam Jespersen, MBA, became the executive director of the Montana Nonprofit Network after more than a decade of progressive experience in nonprofit leadership. Betsy Leondar-Wright, PhD, is the Research Director at Fund the People, coordinating the Upgrading Nonprofit Workplaces study. A long-time economic justice advocate, she is the author of Missing Class and a co-author of Is It Racist? Is It Sexist? and The Color of Wealth Juliet Schor, PhD, an economist and professor of sociology at Boston College, is a principal researcher on 4 Day Week Global’s international study of companies implementing four day workweeks. She is author of The Overworked American and The Overspent American, as well as the new book Four Days a Week: The Life-Changing Solution for Reducing Employee Stress, Improving Well-Being, and Working Smarter. Links to Resources: Flourishing with Fewer Hours - Fund the People Case Study featuring Montana Nonprofit Association https://fundthepeople.org/case-study-hours-of-work/ Upgrading Nonprofit Workplaces - Research series from Fund the People https://fundthepeople.org/upgrading-nonprofit-workplaces/ Montana Nonprofit Association - Organizational website https://mtnonprofit.org/ Four Days a Week - Book by Dr. Juliet Schor https://www.harpercollins.com/products/four-days-a-week-juliet-schor?variant=43110374866978 The Overworked American book by Dr. Juliet Schor https://www.hachettebookgroup.com/titles/juliet-b-schor/the-overworked-american/9780465054343/?lens=basic-books The Overspent American - Book by Dr. Juliet Schor: https://www.harpercollins.com/products/the-overspent-american-juliet-b-schor?variant=32154061406242 4 Day Global - International support organization for four-day workweek: https://www.4dayweek.com/ Work Four - The National Campaign for the 4-Day Workweek https://workfour.org/ Doing More With Less: Positive Results of a Four-Day Work Week in the Community Impact Sector - Report by Impact Organizations of Nova Scotia, April 2024 https://ions.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/05/IONS-Possibility-Brief_Spring-2024.pdf All Due Respect appearances on the Fund the People Podcast: From 7% to 107%: Investing in Organizers Supercharges Impact - with Geraldine Alcid (Filipino Advocates for Justice) and Rebecca Gorena (All Due Respect), S9:E16, published 05/06/26, 44 min. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/from-7-to-107-investing-in-organizers-supercharges/id1531813289?i=1000766550744 Thriving Wages for Community Organizers - with Gaby Hernandez (Oralé), and Kara Park (All Due Respect), S7:E26, published 06/04/25, 53 min. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/thriving-wages-for-community-organizers/id1531813289?i=1000711155176 Fair Labor Standards for Community Organizers with Kinzie Mabon (All Due Respect) and Kevin Simowitz (All Due Respect), S3:E8, published 11/09/22, 47 min. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/fair-labor-standards-for-community-organizers-with/id1531813289?i=1000585612468

⁠Download PDF of episode transcript⁠ What does it look like when a major foundation decides that a crisis calls for more than business as usual? Bold but smart!This episode offers amazing insights and inspiration from Brenda Solórzano, President and CEO of The California Endowment. Brenda shares about how philanthropy can respond when nonprofits face rising demand, shrinking resources, and mounting pressure. She discusses how The California Endowment decided to substantially increase its spending, eliminate grantee reporting requirements, accelerate resource flows, and experiment! She explains why the Endowment signed the Level Up pledge and how it's spending the additional funds. For funders and nonprofit leaders alike, this conversation offers practical ideas for moving from risk-aversion toward responsive partnership. Solórzano discusses what it takes to build trust between foundations and nonprofits; why multi-year funding alone isn't enough; how funders can create relationships where grantees feel safe talking honestly about burnout; and why philanthropy may need to rethink payout. perpetuity, and the business model of foundations. She also makes the case that, rather than simply trying to preserve existing systems, funders can help communities build what comes next. For a Guest Bio, please click here: https://candid.org/authors/brenda-solorzano/ Key Links to Resources: Featured Guest & Institution Links: The California Endowment: https://www.calendow.org The California Endowment: Increased Spending: https://www.calendow.org/tce-board-approves-increased-spending/ Level Up & CHANGE Philanthropy Links: Level Up Campaign: https://levelupphilanthropy.org/ CHANGE Philanthropy: https://changephilanthropy.org CHANGE Philanthropy / Our Work: https://changephilanthropy.org/elementor-397/ Trust-Based Philanthropy Links: The California Endowment’s Go! Gifts: https://www.calendow.org/gogifts/ Headwaters Foundation of Montana’s Go Grants: https://www.headwatersmt.org/what-we-fund/go-grants/ Trust-Based Philanthropy Project: https://www.trustbasedphilanthropy.org CHANGE Philanthropy Member Organizations Links: Asian American Pacific Islanders in Philanthropy (AAPIP): ⁠https://aapip.org⁠ ABFE - A Philanthropic Partnership for Black Communities: ⁠https://www.abfe.org⁠ Emerging Practitioners in Philanthropy: ⁠https://www.epip.org⁠ Funders for LGBTQ Issues: ⁠https://lgbtfunders.org⁠ Hispanics in Philanthropy: ⁠https://hipfunds.org⁠ Native Americans in Philanthropy: ⁠https://nativephilanthropy.org⁠ National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy: ⁠https://ncrp.org⁠ Neighborhood Funders Group: ⁠https://nfg.org⁠ Philanthropic Initiative for Racial Equity: ⁠https://racialequity.org⁠ Women’s Funding Network: ⁠https://www.womensfundingnetwork.org⁠ Fund the People Links: Fund the People website: https://fundthepeople.org/?utm_source=chatgpt.com Fund the People Podcast: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/fund-the-people Join the FTP Podcast Premium community over on Patreon for extended episodes, bonus content, and more: http://patreon.com/fundthepeople Relevant FTP Podcast Episodes Links: Level Up: Helping Funders Give More, Faster with Jodeen Olguin-Tayler, CHANGE Philanthropy (S10:E01 published 09/09/26) https://www.podpage.com/fund-the-people-a-podcast-with-rusty-stahl/level-up-helping-funders-give-more-faster-with-jodeen-olguin-tayler-change-philanthropy/ Meet the Moment: A Call to Action for Funders with Shaady Salehi, Trust-Based Philanthropy Project (S07:E17 published 04/02/25): https://fundthepeople.org/meet-the-moment/ MacArthur President Chooses Courage, Not Quiet with John Palfrey, MacArthur Foundation (S07:E27 published 06/11/25): https://fundthepeople.org/palfrey Do Funders Understand the Nonprofit Burnout Crisis? with Elisha Smith Arrillaga, Center for Effective Philanthropy (S07:E01 published): https://fundthepeople.org/funders-understand

Synopsis: In this episode, you’ll learn about a current organizing effort to get institutional funders to ‘level up’ their giving in response to attacks on nonprofits and communities. Host Rusty Stahl speaks with Jodeen Olguín-Tayler (CHANGE Philanthropy) about the Level Up campaign and its three-part pledge, in which funders agree to (1) increase giving for at least two years; (2) move money quickly and equitably to support 'frontline' communities; and (3) share how the commitments are put into practice. The conversation also explores why increased payout rates matter right now; the role of donor advised funds; protecting racial justice grantmaking; and how funders can learn from one another to overcome internal barriers and turn commitments into action. This Season 10 premiere is an installment of our Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Series. In a companion episode (S10:E2) next week, Brenda Solarzano shares why The California Endowment signed the Level Up pledge, and how its moving money in response to the current crisis. Download transcript .pdf: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ZpRvZ_zQQQkPSyX9t4FL0Uka0OcQgcAP/view?usp=sharing Guest Bio: Jodeen Olguín-Tayler (she/ella) is Director of Programs and Campaigns at CHANGE Philanthropy, where she supports the Level Up Campaign. Jodeen has served in executive roles in philanthropy, business, and nonprofits for over 20 years with a focus on democracy and an economy rooted in racial and gender equity. Her board service has included Movement Voter Fund, Poder Latinx, Chicana Empowerment Fund, Inclusive Democracy and Climate Equity Fund, and Movement Strategy Center. Her staff leadership has included the National Domestic and MoveOn. Full bio: https://changephilanthropy.org/about/team. Essential Links: Level Up Campaign: http://levelupphilanthropy.org Level Up Campaign email: [email protected] CHANGE Philanthropy: https://changephilanthropy.org/ Fund the People: http://fundthepeople.org Fund the People Podcast: https://creators.spotify.com/pod/profile/fund-the-people Fund the People Podcast Premium on Patreon: http://patreon.com/fundthepeople Key Resources from the Episode: Racial Equity Advancement and Defense Initiative: https://www.abfe.org/racial-equity-advancement-and-defense-initiative-readi Free Your Donor Advised Fund (DAF) website: http://freeyourdaf.org CHANGE Philanthropy Member Organizations: Asian American Pacific Islanders in Philanthropy (AAPIP): https://aapip.org ABFE - A Philanthropic Partnership for Black Communities: https://www.abfe.org Emerging Practitioners in Philanthropy: https://www.epip.org Funders for LGBTQ Issues: https://lgbtfunders.org Hispanics in Philanthropy: https://hipfunds.org Native Americans in Philanthropy: https://nativephilanthropy.org National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy: https://ncrp.org Neighborhood Funders Group: https://nfg.org Philanthropic Initiative for Racial Equity: https://racialequity.org Women’s Funding Network: https://www.womensfundingnetwork.org Relevant FTP Podcast Episodes: How Nonprofits Fight Back Against Today’s Biggest Federal Threats w/ Sarah Saadian, National Council of Nonprofits (S9 Summer Bonus, 07.08.26) https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/how-nonprofits-fight-back-against-todays-biggest-federal/id1531813289?i=1000775935067 ‘Silence Isolates, Solidarity Shields’ w/ Tonya Allen, McKnight Foundation (S8:E07, 11.05.25) - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/silence-isolates-solidarity-shields-with-tonya-allen/id1531813289?i=100073541767 Meet the Moment: A Call to Action for Funders w/ Shaady Salehi, Trust-Based Philanthropy Project (S7:E17, 04.02.25) - https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/meet-the-moment-a-call-to-action-for-funders/id1531813289?i=1000701886889 Want additional relevant episodes? Add our Defend Nonprofits, Defend Democracy Playlist to your Spotify library: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/45UnbWYeqzDY9U2DVWDcHm?si=_KJDjjPpSIKNUdiUIhuDnA