Show Notes
In this episode, Mike’s off on assignment, so Bob gets to team up with Jake again—and we’re kind of hoping this turns into a regular thing. It’s four quick questions pulled from the old mailbag, and it always gets things moving. Give it a listen.
1. How important is actual chemistry in hazmat response? 2. What the hell does octane mean on the gas pump? 3. What tools are non-negotiable when dealing with unknowns? 4. Can something melt below its freezing point?
Also, quick heads-up: the show’s format is shifting a bit. We’ll be bringing on regular guests, and some episodes will have Bob and/or Mike stepping back so others can jump in with their own takes and opinions. We hope you enjoy the change, stick around, and keep growing with us.
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