That Said with Talia Schlanger

Art on Trial with Judy Gold

That Said with Talia Schlanger

Show Notes

Why are powerful people so concerned with what artists can and can’t say? Talia Schlanger sits down with comedian and free speech advocate Judy Gold to discuss censorship, comedy, and why attacks on artistic expression should concern everyone. Judy shares stories from her book “Yes, I Can Say That: When They Come for the Comedians, We Are All in Trouble.” She also reflects on what she learned working on The Rosie O’Donnell Show in the late 90s, and what it’s been like at this moment in history to feel abandoned by some of the communities she’s marched alongside.

And for Article Club, author and cultural critic Isaac Butler tells Talia about his piece “How 2 Live Crew Won the Right to Be As Nasty As They Wanna Be” for Slate Magazine, which details the very first time in US history that an album was deemed obscene by the courts. Isaac explores the long history of rap music being censored and what those efforts reveal about power, politics, and culture. Isaac’s article is adapted from his new book “The Perfect Moment: God, Sex, Art, and the Birth of America's Culture Wars.”

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