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Undercurrents: Can Te Tiriti help us build a different economy? | Part 2

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Can Māori economic sovereignty be meaningfully realised within capitalism? Or does honouring Te Tiriti require us to rethink the foundations of our economic system? In part two of this two-part episode of Undercurrents, Ollie Neas, Jane Kelsey and Matthew Scobie explore the contradictions between the recognition of Treaty rights and the neoliberal reforms of the 1980s, the opportunities and constraints created by Treaty settlements, and whether the struggle for Māori sovereignty could help build a different economic future. Help us keep producing independent, in-depth journalism about politics and power in Aotearoa. Subscribe at https://www.publicinterest.nz

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