The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

472. AMMA — The Truth About Operations and the People Who Run Them

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Show Notes

The work that drains you isn't a discipline problem. It's a sign you've been ignoring.

In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill dig into what happens when a firm owner's instincts no longer match what the business actually needs. Michael makes the case that the parts of the work you dread, the growth you can't seem to unlock, and the partner you keep clashing with are all pointing at the same thing: a truth about how you're built that you've been working around instead of working with.

Here’s what you’ll learn:

How to tell whether you're a visionary or an integrator, and why forcing yourself to be both will burn you out

When optimizing a business that already works stops paying off, and what to do to actually grow it

How to keep a partnership from breaking when you and your partner no longer share the same appetite for risk

Stop white-knuckling the parts of your business that drain you and start building toward the version that doesn't.

(00:00:00) Introduction (00:01:37) Family life & summer camp tales (00:07:49) Q1: Visionary or integrator? (00:11:53) Q2: Stuck at a revenue plateau (00:16:55) Q3: When partners stop aligning (00:21:30) Outro

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Links & Resources:

Rocket Fuel by Gino Wickman

Walt Disney

Roy Disney

Deadliest Catch

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Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more.

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