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Michael Ovitz: The Psychology of Power

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Show Notes

Michael Ovitz co-founded CAA and helped reshape Hollywood, then took the same playbook into tech investing and advising founders.

In this conversation, he breaks down the operating rules that kept CAA from losing clients, and the personal disciplines that kept him grounded when the stakes got massive.

You’ll learn how to build momentum, tell the truth without hesitation, read for context instead of noise, hire people who raise the standard, and package ideas into outcomes.

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Approximate Timestamps:

(00:00) Introduction

(00:58) Learning Machine

(03:41) You Don't Know Everything

(08:17) How People Go Wrong

(16:42) Don’t Fight Your Job

(18:28) Managing Relationships

(20:46) Hiring Top Performers

(26:47) Never Get High on Your Own Supply

(30:27) Identifying Greatness

(33:28) Meeting Marc Andreessen

(43:42) On Failure

(47:48) The Smartest Person I Ever Met

(52:49) The Genius of Patrick Collison

(57:51) A Good Idea Taken Too Far

(01:01:30) Information Consumption

(01:14:13) Business Education Curriculum

(01:16:28) Momentum

(01:18:16) Packaging

(01:24:43) What Would You Tell Your Younger Self?

(01:26:30) The Importance of Trust

(01:29:15) What is Success For You?

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