$LNW: a slot machine oligopoly at half Aristocrat's multiple | Zack Buckley
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Light & Wonder ($LNW) is one of three companies in the slot machine oligopoly, with 70%+ recurring revenue, and it trades at 7-8x EBITDA while Aristocrat, its closest peer and arguably its slower-growing twin, trades at roughly double that. Zach Buckley thinks the market is wrong on almost every count: the stock has traded like a SaaS chart on AI fears even though slot content has almost no AI exposure, the Street doesn't believe 2028 targets from a management team that already hit the last three-year guide it set, and the soft first half is a game-launch timing story (Aristocrat launched in H1, Light & Wonder's slate lands in H2), not share loss. Zach has sized this the largest he's ever sized anything, and you can hear it. I push back where I can: whether Caesars could ever build its own boxes (Zach: Marriott doesn't build elevators), why management is paying down debt to appease Australian shareholders instead of murdering the share count at these prices, what the Dragon Train settlement really cost them, and SciPlay's genuine AI risk. We also cover the move to a sole Australian listing, the Grover charitable-gaming acquisition at ~7.5x EBITDA, and what would actually break the thesis. This episode is sponsored by AlphaSense: https://alpha-sense.com/yavp. Most AI tools are very good at sounding right, but can you trace the answer back to the filing, the transcript, the exact passage that drove it? AlphaSense's AI platform is built for exactly that: over 500 million curated documents, from broker research and expert transcripts to filings and earnings calls, with every answer linked back to an exact, verifiable source. See it for yourself with a free trial at https://alpha-sense.com/yavp. Chapters: (00:00:05) Introducing Light & Wonder (00:03:09) Light & Wonder's transformation (00:05:57) Australian listing creates opportunity (00:08:36) Recurring revenue business model (00:09:39) Why game quality matters (00:11:45) Business quality meets valuation (00:13:31) Explaining Aristocrat's valuation premium (00:17:15) AI offers productivity upside (00:19:08) SciPlay faces greater AI risk (00:21:20) Barriers protect game development (00:23:56) Casinos avoid vertical integration (00:29:05) Why Australia made sense (00:30:25) Dragon Train litigation explained (00:32:14) Assessing lingering litigation impact (00:34:11) Why investors doubt targets (00:36:04) Short-termism drives investor skepticism (00:39:41) Balancing buybacks and deleveraging (00:42:39) Grover acquisition adds growth (00:43:55) Electronic pull tabs explained (00:47:14) What could break thesis (00:50:41) AI fears create opportunities (00:52:32) Zach summarizes investment thesis Zach Buckley / Buckley Capital Partners: https://www.buckleycapitalpartners.com/ Links: Yet Another Value Blog - https://www.yetanothervalueblog.com See our legal disclaimer here: https://www.yetanothervalueblog.com/p/legal-and-disclaimer Production and editing by The Podcast Consultant - https://thepodcastconsultant.com/
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