
One team, every identity: A PwC Leader on Breaking Down Identity Security Silos
Identity Decoded | The Identity Security PodcastShow Notes
Recorded live at Identiverse in Las Vegas, this episode of Identity Decoded brings co-hosts Roy Akerman and Rob Ainscough together with Dr. Rogerio Rondini, Head of Innovation at PwC Netherlands, who has spent 16 years working in identity. Rogerio argues that identity has grown from workforce access into federation, customer identity, non-human identity, and AI agents, yet most organizations still run it with the same siloed operating model: separate teams, separate tools, and separate budgets for workforce, customer identity, and privileged access. Tune in to hear what it takes to bring those pieces together, from why identity verification is no longer just a customer concern in the age of deepfake job candidates to how his team is exploring AI agents to help organizations see what good Zero Trust looks like, plus why bringing identity and cybersecurity closer may be one of the most powerful and important moves a security team can make.
🎧 Episode Highlights
[0:00] Intro
[04:00] Why the operating model hasn't evolved: new technology keeps arriving, but organizations still run workforce, customer identity, and privileged access as separate silos with separate teams and tools.
[09:39] Why non-human identities don't fit the traditional PAM program, and why applying MFA to a machine doesn't make sense.
[11:25] Making the identity fabric practical: start with the identity, the user, and the use case, then map to capabilities, and only then to products, so the fabric doesn't turn into a shopping list.
[16:12] The capability builder and Zero Trust Capability Model: a maturity assessment that shows a client their "as is" and the "to be" that fits their own business.
[20:06] Identity has always sat outside cybersecurity's control. Why Rogerio pushes to embed cybersecurity capabilities, such as real-time detection and response, into the identity fabric.
[26:06] The identity verification example: a capability built for customers that workforce teams are now adopting because of deepfakes and fake employees, with the EU ID wallet as a possible answer in Europe.
[28:43] Resilience: the "minimum viable company," why identity resilience is a prerequisite, and how it gives identity leaders a way to talk to the board.
[32:13] Rapid-fire: why identity is a control plane rather than a perimeter, why a tool is never a silver bullet, the hard truth that every organization will be breached one day, and why "agentic" is overhyped.
🔑 Key Takeaways:
Takeaway 1: “Identity” has expanded from workforce to partners, customers, non-human identities, and agents, but the operating model hasn't. Organizations still treat workforce, customer identity, and PAM as separate domains, and building teams around each technology cements the silos.
Takeaway 2: Start from the use case, not the product. Rogerio's capability-based approach asks which identity, which user, and which use case you're protecting, then maps to capabilities and finally to technology, an approach Rob describes as treating identity like a product instead of buying tool after tool project by project.
Takeaway 3: Identity and cybersecurity have to be integrated, and resilience depends on it. In Rogerio's words, "if we don't integrate these two worlds, identity and cyber, you will continue having breaches forever," and identity resilience means the ability to detect and respond quickly, not just to fail over when something goes down.
👤 Guest Spotlight:
Rogerio Rondini, Head of Innovation, PwC Netherlands
Rogerio Rondini is Head of Innovation at PwC Netherlands, where he focuses on non-human identity, AI agent authentication, and the new capabilities surrounding identity and access management. He has spent about 25 years in IT, including roughly 16 in identity, starting as a hands-on software developer before moving into identity and access management around 2008 and 2009. He worked as a solution architect on workforce and customer identity implementations for clients across Europe,
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