How The Land Teaches Us To Be In Relationship With Each Other
Lost Together Podcast with Marika HeinrichsShow Notes
“When we are together, there is me, there is her, and there is a third person, there’s our relationship and we are trying to know it better each time we meet.” This weeks’ guests are Luana Couto and Nisha Mary Poulose. Lua is a researcher, educator and storyteller from the Brazilian Amazon. Her work lives where ancestral knowledge meets futures thinking. She partners with Purpy and Futuro Possivel to bring regenerative practices into organizations and communities worldwide. Nisha is an architect and bioregional planner with a passion for socio-ecological transformation and regenerative systems. She is the founder of Woven Design Collaborative—a firm that designs, strategises and weaves at the confluence of human habitat, planning, and the environment. This conversation explores the deep and often messy connection between land and relationship. Lua and Nisha share their journeys, practices, and perspectives on healing, trauma, and collective transformation. You’ll hear us refer to a retreat. We spent a week together in Italy alongside other teachers including Bayo Akómoláfé, Laura Peña Zaneta, and a group of climate justice activists and artists from the global south, practicing embodying regeneration in real time. You’ll also hear the impacts of some powerful weather on the quality of audio in a couple of places. Luana Couto: instagram.com/souluacouto Nisha Poulose: wovendesigncollaborative.com
RESOURCES: https://unearthodox.org/2025/02/towards-a-deeper-reciprocal-relationship-with-the-planet/ https://futuropossivel.com.br/ wovendesigncollaborative.com
Lost Together is produced by Marika Heinrichs and Becca Rich. Our music is by Cristoffer Moe Ditlevsen, Mixed by SC Dillon. Sound Engineering and Editing by Marika Heinrichs.
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