Sweat Elite Podcast

Doping Is The Only Way To A Sub 2:20 Marathon

Sweat Elite Podcast

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In this week's episode of the Sweat Elite Podcast, Mick Fox (2:19 marathoner) and Matt Fox (2:18 marathoner) reveal that they have both been doping to sub 2:20 marathons. They also talk about Emma Bates' UCAN sponsorship drama, an inbound message from Hugo Fry, Ben Is Running's Berlin Half Marathon result, Cole Gibbons' stress fracture, and much more. The episode covers a mix of humour, controversy, racing updates, and behind-the-scenes insights into elite and sub-elite running. Train with Matt Fox here: https://sweatelitecoaching.com/matt-fox/ Join the Supporters Club and private podcast feed here: https://www.sweatelite.co/shareholders/ Contact Matt Fox here: [email protected] Matt Fox Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/mattinglisfox/ Matt Fox Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/6248359/ Mick Fox Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/runningfox26.2/ Mick Fox Strava: https://www.strava.com/athletes/9571709/ Mick Fox and Matt open the episode with an April Fools prank, jokingly "confessing" to doping before quickly revealing the joke and shifting into the main discussion. The light start transitions into a more serious check-in with Mick, who shares an update on a long-delayed hospital stress test following previous chest pain and concerns around heart health. The conversation then turns to the Emma Bates and UCAN sponsorship situation. They break down Bates' claim that she was dropped due to pregnancy, contrast it with UCAN's statement that discussions had already been underway, and highlight how quickly social media can form one-sided narratives without full context. This leads into a broader discussion around online reactions, accountability, and the dangers of pile-on culture. They also revisit commentary around running creators, with Mick acknowledging that Hugo Fry reached out privately to explain his financial situation and background. That added context shifts Mick's perspective, with Hugo planning to share more publicly in a future video. On the racing side, Mick recaps a tough half marathon run in heavy wind and rain, finishing around 68:40 for second place while importantly coming through healthy with no hamstring issues. Luke and Matt also highlight Ben Felton's strong 1:04:50 PB in Berlin and discuss an unusual race moment where a pacemaker nearly crossed the line first, sparking conversation about race dynamics. Matt shares updates from China, including exploring local running culture, testing Chinese super shoes, and the possibility of visiting factories to better understand production, distribution, and pricing. This opens into a broader reflection on journaling, maintaining real-world friendships, and staying grounded beyond social media. The episode also touches on Cole Gibbons withdrawing from the London Marathon with a stress injury, and a wider discussion around criticism directed at influencers. They reference Mary McCarthy's comments on gendered criticism in running and examine how online negativity often escalates beyond reasonable discussion. They close by encouraging listeners to join the Supporters Club and private podcast feed for deeper training conversations, additional episodes, and access to the Discord community. Timestamps: 00:00 - The Sub 2:20 Doping Confession 02:18 - April Fools Reveal 03:16 - What Matt Is Doing in China and Mick's Stress Test 05:17 - Emma Bates UCAN Controversy 11:14 - Hugo Fry's Inbound Message 16:23 - Mick Half Marathon Recap 18:06 - Ben Felton Berlin Half PB 20:40 - Petros and Pacemaker Drama 21:59 - Training Update Check-In 22:43 - Gold Coast Marathon Plans 25:05 - China Trip Shoe Mission 28:44 - Testing Chinese Super Shoes 32:17 - Journaling and Real Friends 35:13 - Cole Gibbons Injury Talk 36:53 - Mary McCarthy Runner App Debate 39:39 - Online Hate and Influencer Pile-Ons 46:05 - Wrapping Up and Supporters Plug

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